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  • Terry
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Jan 2004
    • 12222

    Van Halen is beyond repair

    Would like to preface this by stating that the output produced by classic Van Halen hasn't diminished with age one iota, and I dig the music just as much now (if not more) than I did when it was first released.

    Don't really think it matters if Hagar bails and Roth comes back or not, in terms of making Van Halen a band with a viable, creative future.

    The way I see it, the opportunity the classic four had to put it all back together and move forward with integrity in 1996 was shot to shit (no two guesses who bears the brunt of the responsibility for that, either). There won't be another chance like that again, and if the aborted 2000 reunion demonstrated anything, it's that these guys can't get it together. For seemingly petty reasons to us on the outside, but there it is.

    Ed.........well, he's just befuddled. Just an example of Nero fiddling while Rome burned. Alex has stepped up as the de facto leader for Van Halen. Both Ed and Al have been cocooned in fantasyland for too long (where half-filled arenas and three new song releases in 6 years are an indication of a successful, legendary rock band), and the shuttle won't be landing back on planet Earth anytime soon.

    Classic VH required all four members firing on all four cylinders to work. Roth alone isn't enough to make the band rise from the ashes. It would take attitudinal and artistic changes on behalf of the others to get the Phoenix airborn, and those are concessions the Van Halens aren't even willing to admit to, never mind make.

    About the only possibility I can see, realistically, is a reunion tour of oldies. Probably not played at 100% of what the band was and is capable of, either. Would be a cash grab more than anything else. For some that may be fine. I can understand the need to take a classic VH reunion however you can get it.

    Regarding my own expectations based on the standards the classic lineup set for itself and the fans in terms of quality, content and performance, the scenario I described isn't gonna cut it. Not even by a long shot.
    Scramby eggs and bacon.
  • scottydabodi
    Crazy Ass Mofo
    • Jun 2004
    • 2541

    #2
    Terry, I read/skimmed your post, and you rock, brutha! I still think if DLR was running the show, he'd could get them into some sorta fighting shape, but I understand what you mean, and there's a great chance that you're fucken RIGHT. Sad but True.
    If you listen to fools
    The Mob Rules

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    • Matt White
      • Jun 2004
      • 20569

      #3
      The ONLY chance they have is DAVID LEE ROTH!!!!


      DAVE OR THE GRAVE MOTHERFUCKERS!!!

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      • Lou

        #4
        I think there's just no shot at a real reunion happening given the state of this band. I don't think either party wants each other right now and that's just a damn shame.

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        • bueno bob
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Jul 2004
          • 22951

          #5
          Well thought out post, my man.

          I'm tempted to agree with you on most parts. For all intensive purposes, Van Halen has relegated itself into the classic rock arena. While I have ZERO DOUBT in my mind that a Roth reunion would/will result in a sold out tour, airplay off the charts and megazillion albums sold, in the end that's what it'll probably amount to - a classic rock revisited "oldies but goodies" tour.

          On the one hand, I want it NO MATTER THE PRICE...I was too young to have caught the REAL Van Halen live and it'd be a once in a lifetime opportunity; no ticket price would be too high, no commute too absurd.

          On the other hand, David's the only one who appears to be in any sort of shape to do it. Mike's irrelevant, Al's too worried about breaking his neck and Ed just noodles in between fucking up his own songs. This is NOT the Van Halen I want to see. Christ, it'd be more exciting going to see David live, at least THAT'S a high energy performance.

          On the third hand (?), you wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which fills up first!

          I don't know, it's an AMAZINGLY hard call. I think they fucking OWE us a reunion album/tour, but under these conditions, with those three guys falling the fuck apart, is there truly any point? Maybe sometimes it really is best to just walk away and be able to say "You know what? It was a hell of a ride, but the brightest flames burn quickest..."

          I'm worse than John Kerry I have so many fuckin' opinions on this, :D

          Over and over though, you come right back to it - 1996 was THE TIME. And they dropped the ball in a Big Fuckin' Way. Whether they can pick it up again (and still run with it) is the question.

          Maybe we'll get our answer.
          Twistin' by the pool.

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          • Panamark
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Jan 2004
            • 17161

            #6
            Great post Tezza !

            After watching Ed's diminished abilities on this tour.
            He really isnt up to the level required for the original
            band to be duly represented..

            My 1% hope is that even though this Hagar shit sucks
            elephant cocks, Ed is at least starting to practice.
            Perhaps with enough hours under his belt, he might
            be able to pull it off again.. I know, its a slim hope I hold
            onto..
            BABY PANA 2 IS Coming !! All across the land, let the love and beer flow !
            Love ya Mary Frances!

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            • DrMaddVibe
              ROTH ARMY ELITE
              • Jan 2004
              • 6686

              #7
              Too much bad blood and too much time wasted to make this even a viable option.

              Those 2 bastards flat out USED Dave in 2000. I still remember the reaction of the crowd eating up seeing them together again. Then I remember looking at EdWAD's face...it told the whole story. It was there all along but we didn't want to see it. He smiles but shakes his head no, Alex is smiriking at Roth the entire time. They knew they were knifing him in the back in front of the people that created them...the MTV vidiots.

              Dave has moved on and I really hope he capitalizes on recording something, anything with the current line-up. Put the acoustic remakes on there, or even beat Van Hagar to the punch and do an MTV unpluggged cd with the 6 pack.

              Van Hagar has to live with what they've done, not just to themselves but to what remaining fans they have. Music, and good music at that is supposed to be shared with the fans not held back and put in jars.

              As long as Dave keeps on being true to himself, I'll be buying his stuff everytime it comes out. I encourage everyone here on this board to do the same. If you haven't bought all of Dave's solo stuff..DO IT! For Dave, and for Rock n Roll!
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              • light 'em up!
                Foot Soldier
                • Mar 2004
                • 686

                #8
                Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
                Those 2 bastards flat out USED Dave in 2000.
                They've always used Dave... ever since the early days when they used him for his PA and a nice place to practice. They used him in '96, 2000, and before it's all said and done they will try to use him again.... I bet he gets the call before year's end.
                Last edited by light 'em up!; 10-07-2004, 08:21 AM.

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                • BIG GOOSE
                  Roadie
                  • Sep 2004
                  • 165

                  #9
                  Suppose he gets the call from Al.
                  I hope it would go some thing like...

                  Al;Dave how are ya!We want ya back in the band.
                  Dave:Could you call me back in 30,I'm plowing your new girlfriend.

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                  • Big Troubles
                    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                    • Feb 2004
                    • 8517

                    #10
                    Van Halen as we knew it, is done. Sam made damn sure that this band will be unrepairable. Sam turned it into a top 40 pop band without substance or meaning. Too many love songs, not enough kick ass. Dave would be wise to step to the left of everything ED and Al end up doing with their beer soaked lives. Fuck em Dave- Leave the boys wanting more-
                    "FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKIN' BITCH! WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE ANYWAYS? TALK TO ME LIKE THAT? FUCK YOU. DRAG QUEEN LOOKIN' WHORE- YOU AINT SHIT. YOUR THE FRECKLE TO THE LEFT OF MY BROWN EYE. NOW GO MAKE YOURSELF USEFUL...OH, PUT DAD ON THE PHONE"

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                    • bueno bob
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 22951

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Big Troubles
                      Van Halen as we knew it, is done. Sam made damn sure that this band will be unrepairable. Sam turned it into a top 40 pop band without substance or meaning. Too many love songs, not enough kick ass. Dave would be wise to step to the left of everything ED and Al end up doing with their beer soaked lives. Fuck em Dave- Leave the boys wanting more-
                      Well, Sam and Ed together...I think Ed was pussifying himself and his music pretty well and Sam was just the right singer to do it with. 1984 (DONT GET ME WRONG, LOVE THE ALBUM!!!!) was, at times, a more friendly Van Halen than before, and I think Ed was going to take it in a radio-friendly direction anyway. Had Roth not quit in 85, he would have been handed the music for 5150 in late 85 and been fired after he told them what kind of crap it was, then VH would have made the announcement that they were looking for a new lead singer...point of the matter is, you'd have had 5150 in 87 rather than 86.

                      Was bound to happen.

                      I'm NOT apologizing for Hagar in any way, shape or form; merely stating that it was a tag-team effort between the two of them to water down Van Halen to the point of almost complete unrecognition, which is what Ed no doubt wanted in the first place.
                      Twistin' by the pool.

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                      • DrMaddVibe
                        ROTH ARMY ELITE
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 6686

                        #12
                        Originally posted by light 'em up!
                        They've always used Dave... ever since the early days when they used him for his PA and a nice place to practice. They used him in '96, 2000, and before it's all said and done they will try to use him again.... I bet he gets the call before year's end.
                        Yeah he has been used, but in 2000 he didn't have a say in the matter. Can I borrow your PA?...Uh sure. Can I play at your house...uh ok. Wanna record some tunes with us? SURE! It's not the same type of abuse that I was talking about.
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                        • Bad Muthafucker
                          Foot Soldier
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 527

                          #13
                          Originally posted by BIG GOOSE
                          Suppose he gets the call from Al.
                          I hope it would go some thing like...

                          Al;Dave how are ya!We want ya back in the band.
                          Dave:Could you call me back in 30,I'm plowing your new girlfriend.
                          like McDonald's, i'm lovin' it!!!
                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...7qatW5tds&NR=1

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                          • thepunisher
                            Roadie
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 147

                            #14
                            As much as I would like a reunion, much of what you say may be true. The VH sisters, MA, theyre so cheesy and the word 'pussified' is right on. I'd like to see Dave bust a bottle of that hot sauce on fatso's head.
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                            • Big Troubles
                              ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                              • Feb 2004
                              • 8517

                              #15
                              Originally posted by bueno bob
                              Well, Sam and Ed together...I think Ed was pussifying himself and his music pretty well and Sam was just the right singer to do it with. 1984 (DONT GET ME WRONG, LOVE THE ALBUM!!!!) was, at times, a more friendly Van Halen than before, and I think Ed was going to take it in a radio-friendly direction anyway. Had Roth not quit in 85, he would have been handed the music for 5150 in late 85 and been fired after he told them what kind of crap it was, then VH would have made the announcement that they were looking for a new lead singer...point of the matter is, you'd have had 5150 in 87 rather than 86.

                              Was bound to happen.

                              I'm NOT apologizing for Hagar in any way, shape or form; merely stating that it was a tag-team effort between the two of them to water down Van Halen to the point of almost complete unrecognition, which is what Ed no doubt wanted in the first place.
                              true enough. But I question what 5150 would've sounded like had Roth sang on it and not Hagar. There would be no dreams, love walks in or why cant this be love. Thats for sure.
                              "FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKIN' BITCH! WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE ANYWAYS? TALK TO ME LIKE THAT? FUCK YOU. DRAG QUEEN LOOKIN' WHORE- YOU AINT SHIT. YOUR THE FRECKLE TO THE LEFT OF MY BROWN EYE. NOW GO MAKE YOURSELF USEFUL...OH, PUT DAD ON THE PHONE"

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