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  • Terry
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 11956

    #31
    Originally posted by DLR Bridge
    Yeah, pretty much this ^. I mean, what are the actual expectations at this point? Are they looking for something like a hit? Something ground breaking? Something classic sounding? What is it that they want to hear from themselves? Who are they trying to appeal to most at this point? They've satisfied much of the die hard fans. Are they looking to pull in more? I know, I ask a lot.

    Personally, I'm still hoping for a cd of Drop Dead Legs meets Hear About It Later with a sprinkling of Coconut Grove topped off with some Stay While The Night Is Young. Sans floor music.
    It's just...see, by the time 1995 rolled around, I had pretty much stopped even caring about what Van Halen did. And, truth be told, I hadn't really been keeping up with what Roth was doing, either. I wasn't bowled over with YFLM (it took a long time to grow on me, and even THEN I only REALLY enjoyed about half the tracks, with the other half falling along the lines of 'well, I guess I'll give Dave points for trying something unexpected even if the results weren't so great).

    Then a year later I hear the Humans Being track and it kinda demonstrated some of the spirit and sonics that I liked so much when CVH was around - even with Hagar on vocals, the track conjured up some of old magic in a way that precious few tracks released after Roth left managed to.

    Then the band is back in the studio with Roth, then they all make an appearance at the VMAs, and I'm just fucking stoked. I dug the two new BOV1 tracks they did with Dave: they sounded like a great starting point for a new era of CVH. Was anticipating a new album, new tour, then...kaput. But the whole pathetic biz of the 1996 Roth debacle rekindled my interest in Dave's career.

    Like many, from 1997 on I hoped Roth would rejoin the band. But I gotta tell you, ten years is a long time to wait, and by the time he finally came back in 2006 it wasn't really the same feeling of ten years prior. It was more like "about fucking time." And in those ten years, while I lost not one iota of appreciation for what CVH did back in the day, 3/4s of of a reconstituted CVH was no longer like the Second Coming for me. Yeah, it's good they finally got back together and toured and I got to see 'em in 2008 and 2012. Yeah, ADKOT is a good album. However, nothing they've done since 2006 is on the level of what the band did from 1978 to 1984. I suppose there was really no reason to think it would be, aside from my own overblown expectations ("Man, if Dave rejoins the band, it'll be like 1981 all over again!"...um, not quite). I'm not even thinking that Mike Anthony rejoining is the missing piece that's gonna somehow return the band to their halcyon days. Those days are gone forever. They were probably gone forever back in 1996 even when Roth was in the studio working on the BOV1 tracks.

    If Van Halen keeps on putting out records, I'll probably keep buying them, but even if they keep touring I can easily envision not even being bothered enough to go see 'em. In 2008 Ed was too fucked up to play well. In 2012 Dave seemingly couldn't be bothered (or was unable) to sing well half the time he was onstage. You know, how many tours do I need to see to confirm that the band ain't what it used to be, and is never gonna be what it used to be? I'd rather remember them when they were kings than keep shelling out premium prices every few years to witness a band in a steady decline. All of this isn't necessarily a slam against the band, but...it's just age, you know?
    Scramby eggs and bacon.

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    • DONNIEP
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Mar 2004
      • 13373

      #32
      Damn well said, Terry.
      American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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      • DLR Bridge
        ROCKSTAR

        • Mar 2011
        • 5470

        #33
        I feel the same way but wasn't gonna get all heady. Thanks for doing the dirty work Terry!

        Back to what a follow up might be like to ADKOT, I think they can squeeze a few more gems outta the vault and another batch of new songs as they did before. I'd be fine with that, but I think they need to be done in a way that could be pulled off live. We can't have a Chinatown incident again and As Is was ducked out of clearly because it would have been a work out for Dave live. I hear ya Terry on the live front, but you can't let what their doing now tarnish your vision of the glory days. Every band goes through this victory lap phase of their career and you just take it for what it is. People haven't stopped seeing the Stones and there is nothing creative or energetic left in their tank. If VH hangs it up, I'm ok with that. If they keep on puttering around at their usual snails pace, I'll take that too. It's holding my breathe for anything that has finally ended.

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        • fryingdutchman
          Full Member Status

          • Feb 2005
          • 4132

          #34
          Originally posted by DLR Bridge
          True, but I remember not being so thrilled with the '07-'08 stage. Watching clips from that tour (thanks to whomever mans the RA FB page) and I now like it. It has something going on. It has a shape. This past tour, they may as well have been standing on a flatbed 18 wheeler. Screens are nice, but I try to watch the actual people as much as I can at shows.
          I seem to recall reading somewhere that the '07-'08 stage was a castoff design from Prince.

          Does anybody else remember hearing or reading that? Or am I barking mad? It's been awhile and in my advanced years my powers of recollection are waning.

          Anyway...if it's true to any extent it further undermines Dave's claims that they do it all themselves....
          Originally posted by perilouspete
          fryingdutchman you pretty much own everyone.....sick comebacks, well put. top class wit.

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          • fryingdutchman
            Full Member Status

            • Feb 2005
            • 4132

            #35
            Originally posted by DONNIEP
            Dude - nobody's sacred. Not even the once Mighty Van Halen or Dave. Besides, the stage does suck balls. Now, let me put on my headphones so I don't have to listen to a chorus of "you should be happy with what you get!!" Yeah, where was that little mantra when Gary was doing the Dance Of The Flaming Assholes?
            LMFAO at "Dance of the Flaming Assholes"
            Originally posted by perilouspete
            fryingdutchman you pretty much own everyone.....sick comebacks, well put. top class wit.

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            • vandeleur
              ROTH ARMY SUPREME
              • Sep 2009
              • 9865

              #36
              Prince cast offs .... That's a sign of the times
              fuck your fucking framing

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              • Zing!
                Veteran
                • Oct 2011
                • 2363

                #37
                Originally posted by fryingdutchman
                I seem to recall reading somewhere that the '07-'08 stage was a castoff design from Prince.

                Does anybody else remember hearing or reading that? Or am I barking mad? It's been awhile and in my advanced years my powers of recollection are waning.

                Anyway...if it's true to any extent it further undermines Dave's claims that they do it all themselves....
                That was the stage formerly known as Prince.
                My karma just ran over your dogma.

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                • Von Halen
                  ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                  • Dec 2003
                  • 7500

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Zing!
                  That was the stage formerly known as Prince.
                  But Dave personally made 80 phone calls to design the stage for Prince, so they could use it when he was done with it.

                  For some of you that are still wearing the DLR goggles, welcome to Dave's World.

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                  • DLR Bridge
                    ROCKSTAR

                    • Mar 2011
                    • 5470

                    #39
                    Originally posted by fryingdutchman
                    I seem to recall reading somewhere that the '07-'08 stage was a castoff design from Prince.
                    That's news to me, but sounds totally believable.

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                    • TJMKID
                      Veteran
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 1533

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Terry
                      Then the band is back in the studio with Roth, then they all make an appearance at the VMAs, and I'm just fucking stoked. I dug the two new BOV1 tracks they did with Dave: they sounded like a great starting point for a new era of CVH. Was anticipating a new album, new tour, then...kaput.

                      Like many, from 1997 on I hoped Roth would rejoin the band. But I gotta tell you, ten years is a long time to wait, and by the time he finally came back in 2006 it wasn't really the same....
                      After the 1996 MTV blowup --- a big chunk of the VH spirit within me died and never fully recovered. I attended 2 shows on the 2007-08 tour and I loved it, but I agree with your sentiments that it felt more like "well it's about fucking time" than any sort of real excitement about the greatest rock band reuniting and blazing a new trail.

                      Plus, the '96 MTV fiasco opened my eyes about the true nature of EVH. He was no longer the innocent genius guitarist who was picked on by mean ole Dave. He was now the deceptive dickhead who tricked all the fans into believing something they desperately wanted, only to sell a few extra records. I saw how evil Eddie could be after that moment, and it ruined my image of him forever.

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                      • Von Halen
                        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                        • Dec 2003
                        • 7500

                        #41
                        Originally posted by TJMKID
                        Plus, the '96 MTV fiasco opened my eyes about the true nature of EVH. He was no longer the innocent genius guitarist who was picked on by mean ole Dave. He was now the deceptive dickhead who tricked all the fans into believing something they desperately wanted, only to sell a few extra records. I saw how evil Eddie could be after that moment, and it ruined my image of him forever.
                        And Dave was innocent, right?

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                        • Zing!
                          Veteran
                          • Oct 2011
                          • 2363

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Von Halen
                          And Dave was innocent, right?
                          Eddie did it, remember?
                          My karma just ran over your dogma.

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                          • DONNIEP
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 13373

                            #43
                            So how's Dave's hair these days?
                            American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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                            • PETE'S BROTHER
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 12678

                              #44
                              Originally posted by DONNIEP
                              So how's Dave's hair these days?
                              the left one or the right one?
                              Another one of those classic genius posts, sure to generate responses. You log on the next day to see what your witty gem has produced to find no one gets it and 2 knotheads want to stick their dicks in it... Well played, sir!!

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                              • DrMaddVibe
                                ROTH ARMY ELITE
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 6659

                                #45
                                Originally posted by TJMKID
                                He was no longer the innocent genius guitarist who was picked on by mean ole Dave. He was now the deceptive dickhead who tricked all the fans into believing something they desperately wanted, only to sell a few extra records. I saw how evil Eddie could be after that moment, and it ruined my image of him forever.


                                It stung too.
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