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  • DLR'sCock
    Crazy Ass Mofo
    • Jan 2004
    • 2937

    **Official OHIO RECOUNT thread**

    Recount in Ohio a Sure Thing
    t r u t h o u t | Press Release

    Monday 15 November 2004

    Green Party Campaign Raises $150,000 in 4 Days, Shifts Gears to Phase II
    WASHINGTON -- November 15 -- There will be a recount of the presidential vote in Ohio.

    On Thursday, David Cobb, the Green Party’s 2004 presidential candidate, announced his intention to seek a recount of the vote in Ohio. Since the required fee for a statewide recount is $113,600, the only question was whether that money could be raised in time to meet the filing deadline. That question has been answered.

    “Thanks to the thousands of people who have contributed to this effort, we can say with certainty that there will be a recount in Ohio,” said Blair Bobier, Media Director for the Cobb-LaMarche campaign.

    “The grassroots support for the recount has been astounding. The donations have come in fast and furiously, with the vast majority in the $10-$50 range, allowing us to meet our goal for the first phase of the recount effort in only four days,” said Bobier.

    Bobier said the campaign is still raising money for the next phase of the recount effort which will be recruiting, training and mobilizing volunteers to monitor the actual recount.

    The Ohio presidential election was marred by numerous press and independent reports of mis-marked and discarded ballots, problems with electronic voting machines and the targeted disenfranchisement of African American voters. A number of citizens’ groups and voting rights organizations are holding the second of two hearings today in Columbus, Ohio, to take testimony from voters, poll watchers and election experts about problems with the Ohio vote. The hearing, from 6-9 p.m., will be held at the Courthouse, meeting room A, 373 S. High St., in Columbus. The Cobb-LaMarche campaign will be represented at the hearing by campaign manager Lynne Serpe.

    A demand for a recount in Ohio can only be filed by a presidential candidate who was either a certified write-in candidate or on the ballot in that state. Both Green Party candidate David Cobb and Libertarian candidate Michael Badnarik will be demanding a recount. No other candidate has stated an intention to seek a recount and no other citizen or organization would have legal standing to do so in Ohio. The Cobb-LaMarche campaign is still exploring the possibility of seeking recounts in other states but no decision has been made yet.



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    Ohio Voters Tell of Election Day Troubles at Hearing
    By Reginald Fields
    The Cleveland Plain Dealer

    Sunday 14 November 2004

    Tales of waiting more than five hours to vote, voter intimidation, under-trained polling-station workers and too few or broken voting machines largely in urban or heavily minority areas were retold Saturday at a public hearing organized by voter-rights groups.

    For three hours, burdened voters, one after another, offered sworn testimony about Election Day voter suppression and irregularities that they believe are threatening democracy.

    The hearing, sponsored by the Election Protection Coalition, was to collect testimony of voting troubles that might be used to seek legislative changes to Ohio's election process.

    The organizers chose Ohio because it was a swing state in the presidential election as well as the site of numerous claims of election fraud and voter disenfranchisement.

    "I think a lot of us had a sense that something had deeply went wrong on Nov. 2 and it had to do with the election process and procedures in place that were unacceptable," said Amy Kaplan, one of the hearing's coordinators.

    Kaplan said the hearing gave everyday citizens a chance to have their concerns placed into public record.

    Both a written and video report on the hearing will be provided to anyone who wants a copy, especially state lawmakers who are considering mandating Election Day changes, Kaplan said.

    Many of the voters who testified were clearly Democrats who wonder if their losing presidential candidate, Sen. John Kerry, was able to draw all the votes that were intended for him.

    "I call on Sen. Kerry to un-concede until there is a full count of the votes," said Werner Lange of Trumbull County, who claimed that polling places in his Northeast Ohio neighborhood had half the number of voting machines that were needed.

    "This caused a bottleneck at polling stations, and many people left without voting," he said.

    Others said they were testifying not on political grounds but out of concern for a suspicious election system that should be above reproach.

    Harvey Wasserman of Bexley said he tried to vote absentee with the same home address he has used for 18 years but was told he couldn't because his absentee application had the wrong address.

    "But the notice telling me I had the wrong address arrived at the right address," he said. "I wonder, how many of these absentee ballots were rejected for no good reason?

    "My concern is not out of the outcome of the election," Wasserman said, "but that this could go on and an election could be stolen. And we simply can't have that in a democracy."


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  • ODShowtime
    ROCKSTAR

    • Jun 2004
    • 5812

    #2
    finally, some kind of action!
    gnaw on it

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    • DLR'sCock
      Crazy Ass Mofo
      • Jan 2004
      • 2937

      #3
      Even though Nader was not supposed to be on the ballot in Ohio(I wonder how many ballots he was "accidentily" left on), he is calling for a recount also...

      So we have Independent candidate Ralph Nader, Libertarian candidate Badnarik, and Green candidate Cobb all calling for a recount.....oh yeah, there are many many numerous organizations calling for a recount...

      tick tock, let's see what happens...

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      • John Ashcroft
        Veteran
        • Jan 2004
        • 2127

        #4
        This just in!

        Liberal's still whining over losing the last election.

        Stayed tuned for updates.

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        • DLR'sCock
          Crazy Ass Mofo
          • Jan 2004
          • 2937

          #5
          I didn't know Badnarik was a liberal...

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          • FORD
            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

            • Jan 2004
            • 58789

            #6
            Nobody won OR lost the election if the votes cannot be accounted for.

            If you believe otherwise, then move to Iraq where such elections are accepted.
            Eat Us And Smile

            Cenk For America 2024!!

            Justice Democrats


            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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            • FORD
              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

              • Jan 2004
              • 58789

              #7
              Originally posted by DLR's Cock




              Kerry Campaign Scrutinizes Ohio
              By Scott Hiaasen
              The Cleveland Plain Dealer

              Thursday 11 November 2004

              Checks provisional ballots, other issues
              Lawyers with John Kerry's presidential campaign are gathering information from Ohio election boards about uncounted ballots and other unresolved issues from last week's election.

              Attorneys say they are not trying to challenge the election but are only carrying out Kerry's promise to make sure that all the votes in Ohio are counted. They describe this effort, which began this week, as a "fact-finding mission."

              Unofficial totals give President Bush a 136,000-vote advantage over Kerry in Ohio, but the totals won't be certified until early next month.

              Dan Hoffheimer, the statewide counsel for the Kerry campaign, said the goal is to identify any voting problems to prevent them in the future - and quell doubts about the legitimacy of the Ohio election being raised on the Internet.

              "We're not expecting to change the outcome of the election," Hoffheimer said. "We want to be sure that the public knows what really happened."

              The campaign's inquiries come against a backdrop of increasing hysteria among Internet activists who, in chains of e-mails and articles, claim that Ohio's election was so riddled with problems that the outcome may not be legitimate.

              For example, a confusing counting method used in Cuyahoga County's election totals wrongly suggests that more than two dozen suburbs had more votes than voters. And a computer glitch in Franklin County added nearly 3,900 phantom votes for Bush in one precinct.

              "There were enough problems reported around the state that undermined people's confidence," Hoffheimer said.

              The Kerry campaign has compiled a list of more than 30 questions for local election officials, asking about the number of absentee and provisional ballots, any reports of equipment malfunctions on election night, and any ballots that still listed third-party challenger Ralph Nader as a candidate. (Nader was removed from the ballot by Secretary of State Ken Blackwell.)

              As of yesterday, the attorneys had not yet contacted the Cuyahoga County's elections director, Michael Vu.

              Election officials cannot begin to officially canvass the ballots until Saturday. But in Cuyahoga County, they have begun reviewing provisional ballots to make sure the voters are registered and did not vote more than once.

              This review process is being monitored by representatives of both political parties. Mark Griffin, a Democratic lawyer, said he's worried that some provisional ballots - special ballots given to voters who believe they are registered but who don't appear on the voter rolls - may be discarded because poll workers failed to sign the ballot envelope as required.

              But election officials said they would count these provisional ballots if the voter's signature matched the one in their records.

              About 155,000 provisional ballots were cast in Ohio, including nearly 25,000 in Cuyahoga County. Whether these ballots are counted is a decision left to the local election boards, which are each made up of two Democrats and two Republicans.
              Eat Us And Smile

              Cenk For America 2024!!

              Justice Democrats


              "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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              • DLR'sCock
                Crazy Ass Mofo
                • Jan 2004
                • 2937

                #8
                Also, supposedly Nader won his recount bid for New Hampshire....

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                • FORD
                  ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                  • Jan 2004
                  • 58789

                  #9
                  Please post all articles related to the Ohio recount in this thread.

                  Thanks.
                  Eat Us And Smile

                  Cenk For America 2024!!

                  Justice Democrats


                  "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                  • bueno bob
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 22942

                    #10
                    sigh....
                    Twistin' by the pool.

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                    • Guitar Shark
                      ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 7579

                      #11
                      ROTH ARMY MILITIA


                      Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
                      Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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                      • FORD
                        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                        • Jan 2004
                        • 58789

                        #12
                        Originally posted by bueno bob
                        sigh....
                        If you don't give a fuck now, when WILL you give a fuck?

                        When the death toll from Junior's war tops Vietnam?

                        When the economic disaster worse than the Great Depression finally arrives?

                        When China finally has enough of BCE/PNAC imperialism and sends an army of 100 million or so over here?

                        Will you give a fuck then?

                        If you're willing to allow those kinds of things to happen to this country, then the least you can do is prove to me that a slight majority of FUCKING IDIOTS actually voted in favor of enabling it.
                        Eat Us And Smile

                        Cenk For America 2024!!

                        Justice Democrats


                        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                        • McCarrens
                          Foot Soldier
                          • May 2004
                          • 705

                          #13
                          Ford, what the HELL are you talking about!?!
                          "The security around the hotel was ridiculous. This chick was pounding and screaming at my door until four or five in the morning....finally I said fuck it, and let her out of the room"

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                          • FORD
                            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                            • Jan 2004
                            • 58789

                            #14
                            Originally posted by McCarrens
                            Ford, what the HELL are you talking about!?!
                            I'm talking about what's likely to happen under 4 more years of the BCE.

                            I'm talking about people who claim to be patriotic Americans but when faced with the question of whether votes were actually counted in a Presidential election respond with "Who gives a FUCK??"

                            I'm talking about the very goddamned existence of American Democracy itself being on life support right now, and some of you guys can't wait to pull the plug.
                            Eat Us And Smile

                            Cenk For America 2024!!

                            Justice Democrats


                            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                            • Figs
                              Crazy Ass Mofo
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 2942

                              #15
                              Remember the first rule of politics. The ballots don't make the results, the counters make the results. The counters. Keep counting.

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