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  • ELVIS
    Banned
    • Dec 2003
    • 44120

    John Glenn - Well Said

    Things that make you think a little........

    1. There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of
    January.....

    In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of
    January.

    That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn
    country of Iraq.



    2. When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state
    the following ..

    FDR...led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did.

    >From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per
    year.

    Truman...finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never
    attacked us.

    >From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.

    John F. Kennedy. ..started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never
    attacked us.

    Johnson...turned Vietnam into a quagmire.

    >From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.



    Clinton...went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia
    never attacked u s.

    He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan
    and did nothing.

    Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.



    3. In the two years since terrorists attacked us

    President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban,
    crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea
    without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000
    of his own people.

    The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...It
    took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch
    Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation.

    We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less
    time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing
    records.

    It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to
    destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the
    police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick killing a woman.



    Wait, there's more.......................



    Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they
    do for a living. This exchange between Senators John Glenn and Senator
    Howard Metzenbaum is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive
    impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one man's explanation
    of why men and women in the armed services do what they do for a living.
    This is a typical, though sad, example of what some who have never
    served think of our military.



    JOHN GLENN ON THE SENATE FLOOR

    Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13



    Senator Howard Metzenbaum to Senator Glenn: "How can you run for Senate
    when you've never held a real job?"



    Senator Glenn: "I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. I
    served through two wars. I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by
    anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was in the space
    program.



    It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was not a
    nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts
    to the bank. I ask you to go with me ... as I went the other day... to a
    veteran's hospital and look those men - with their mangled bodies - in
    the eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold a job!

    You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to
    the widows and orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee... and
    you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their Dads didn't hold
    a job.

    You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National
    Cemetery, where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember,
    and you watch those waving flags.



    You stand there, and you think about this nation, and you tell ME that
    those people didn't have a job? I'll tell you, Howard Metzenbaum; you
    should be on your knees every day of your life thanking God that there
    were some men - SOME MEN - who held REAL jobs. And they required a
    dedication to a purpose - and a love of country and a dedication to duty
    - that was more important than life itself. And their self-sacrifice is
    what made this country possible.



    I HAVE held a job, Howard! What about you?"

    For those who don't remember - During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an
    attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA



    If you can read this, thank a teacher.... If you are reading it in
    English thank a Veteran.

    Please keep this circulating.




  • Dr. Love
    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
    • Jan 2004
    • 7832

    #2
    LOL, "if you are reading it in English..."

    Nice touch.
    I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

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    • FORD
      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

      • Jan 2004
      • 58789

      #3
      What John Glenn said was correct, but the rest is mostly propaganda bullshit.

      And JFK didn't start the Vietnam war. The BCE did, under the Eisenhower administration.
      Eat Us And Smile

      Cenk For America 2024!!

      Justice Democrats


      "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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      • DrMaddVibe
        ROTH ARMY ELITE
        • Jan 2004
        • 6682

        #4
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        • mwsully
          Groupie
          • May 2004
          • 77

          #5
          Hey Elvis,

          War on Terrorism is just as ludicrous -- and just as costly -- as the War on Drugs. To say that G.W. in his pursuit of "freeing" Iraq, going after Al Queda and the Taliban made the world safer is just plain laughable.

          Terrorism will never be controlled or eliminated or even minimalized by strong arm tactics, warring and such.

          As long as our administration gets into other countries affairs without full support of those countries' citizens, terrorism is here to stay.

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          • ELVIS
            Banned
            • Dec 2003
            • 44120

            #6
            Originally posted by mwsully
            Terrorism will never be controlled or eliminated or even minimalized by strong arm tactics, warring and such.

            So terrorism should just be ignored ??

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            • BigBadBrian
              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
              • Jan 2004
              • 10625

              #7
              Originally posted by mwsully
              Hey Elvis,

              War on Terrorism is just as ludicrous -- and just as costly -- as the War on Drugs. To say that G.W. in his pursuit of "freeing" Iraq, going after Al Queda and the Taliban made the world safer is just plain laughable.

              Terrorism will never be controlled or eliminated or even minimalized by strong arm tactics, warring and such.

              As long as our administration gets into other countries affairs without full support of those countries' citizens, terrorism is here to stay.
              That's just plain stupid. I suppose we shouldn't try to curb rape or murder also because we can never eliminate it?
              “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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              • FORD
                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                • Jan 2004
                • 58789

                #8
                Originally posted by ELVIS
                So terrorism should just be ignored ??
                Terrorism is local. There is no such thing as a "global terrorist network".

                There are terrorists in this country as well. Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols were terrorists. So is Eric Rudolph. So was Paul Hill and the other fools like him who bomb abortion clinics or set them on fire or assassinate those who work there. The DC snipers could be considered "terrorists" because they certainly DID terrorize, but they weren't trying to gain anything from their actions like all of those listed above, they were just fucking crazy.

                But I don't believe the BCE propaganda about an Islamic terraist hiding behind every bush (er... no pun intended), nor do I believe their ridiculous account of what happenned on 9-11-01. There is NO direct evidence that foreign terrorists are active in this country.
                Eat Us And Smile

                Cenk For America 2024!!

                Justice Democrats


                "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                • ELVIS
                  Banned
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 44120

                  #9
                  Hahaha...

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                  • BigBadBrian
                    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 10625

                    #10
                    Originally posted by FORD
                    Terrorism is local. There is no such thing as a "global terrorist network".

                    So al-Qaeda is an illusion then? You're willing to state that for the record for all to see?
                    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                    • FORD
                      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                      • Jan 2004
                      • 58789

                      #11
                      Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                      So al-Qaeda is an illusion then? You're willing to state that for the record for all to see?
                      Al Qaeda - whatever they are in reality - was created by the BCE/CIA. So do you really want to go there?
                      Eat Us And Smile

                      Cenk For America 2024!!

                      Justice Democrats


                      "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49205

                        #12
                        Modern History Sourcebook:
                        President Eisenhower:
                        Letter to Ngo Dinh Diem, October 23, 1954

                        Letter from President Eisenhower to Ngo Dinh Diem, President of the Council of Ministers of Vietnam, October 23, 1954

                        DEAR MR. PRESIDENT: I have been following with great interest the course of developments in Viet-Nam, particularly since the conclusion of the conference at Geneva. The implications of the agreement concerning Viet-Nam have caused grave concern regarding the future of a country temporarily divided by an artificial military grouping, weakened by a long and exhausting war and faced with enemies without and by their subversive collaborators within.

                        Your recent requests for aid to assist in the formidable project of the movement of several hundred thousand loyal Vietnamese citizens away from areas which are passing under a de facto rule and political ideology which they abhor, are being fulfilled. I am glad that the United States is able to assist in this humanitarian effort.

                        We have been exploring ways and means to permit our aid to Viet-Nam to be more effective and to make a greater contribution to the welfare and stability of the Government of Viet-Nam. I am, accordingly, instructing the American Ambassador to Viet-Nam to examine with you in your capacity as Chief of Government, bow an intelligent program of American aid given directly to your Government can serve to assist Viet-Nam in its present hour of trial, provided that your Government is prepared to give assurances as to the standards of performance it would be able to maintain in the event such aid were supplied.

                        The purpose of this offer is to assist the Government of Viet-Nam in developing and maintaining a strong, viable state, capable of resisting attempted subversion or aggression through military means. The Government of the United States expects that this aid will be met by performance on the part of the Government of Viet-Nam in undertaking needed reforms. It hopes that such aid, combined with your own continuing efforts, will contribute effectively toward an independent Viet-Nam endowed with a strong government. Such a government would, I hope, be so responsive to the nationalist aspirations of its people, so enlightened in purpose and effective in performance, that it will be respected both at home and abroad and discourage any who might wish to impose a foreign ideology on your free people.

                        Sincerely,

                        Dwight D. Eisenhower



                        We were in Vietnam LONG BEFORE Kennedy, in fact Eisenhower illegally canceled the elections between North and South because he was afraid Ho Chi Minh would win.

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                        • DrMaddVibe
                          ROTH ARMY ELITE
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 6682

                          #13
                          Ah yes...we did protect our shipments to the region. We did train the locals in how to use them BUT when did we start sending our military into armed conflict?

                          Anyone?
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                          • Nickdfresh
                            SUPER MODERATOR

                            • Oct 2004
                            • 49205

                            #14
                            Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
                            Ah yes...we did protect our shipments to the region. We did train the locals in how to use them BUT when did we start sending our military into armed conflict?

                            Anyone?
                            1965 saw the first major deployment of US combat forces. CIA agents had been active with mercenaries since the Truman Administration.

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                            • academic punk
                              Full Member Status

                              • Dec 2004
                              • 4437

                              #15
                              Bottom line: politics make strange bedfellows. Glkobal politics make even stranger ones.

                              You ally yourself with who you have to. You don't always love your options, 99.99% of the time the choices are far from ideal, but it solves the most pressing problem. Sometimes - frequently - it creates new ones.

                              Does that mean that it's right? to have supplied arms and finance to Saddam or whoever back when? Of ocurse not. But sometimes, it's necessary.

                              there are no simple solutions, and everybody wants something.

                              Now the talk is of Iran having a nuclear weapoin. To get them to abandon the progrm, what's it goign to take?

                              MONEY. Money for militia, money for their attempts to spread their version of "propoer, just government, money for POWER.

                              And the choice is either to fork it over, or to let them continue to have nuclear armaments. Whcih one do you go with? The most immediate threat or one that could mushroom (no pun intended) over the course of the coming years and decades?

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