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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10620

    The truth about Guantanamo Bay

    The truth about Guantanamo Bay
    Michelle Malkin


    June 1, 2005


    The mainstream media and international human rights organizations have relentlessly portrayed the Guantanamo Bay detention facility as a depraved torture chamber operated by sadistic American military officials defiling Islam at every turn. It's the "gulag of our time," wails Amnesty International. It's the "anti-Statue of Liberty," bemoans New York Times columnist Tom Friedman.

    Have there been abuses? Yes. But here is the rest of the story -- the story that the Islamists and their sympathizers don't want you to hear.

    According to recently released FBI documents, which are inaccurately heralded by civil liberties activists and military-bashers as irrefutable evidence of widespread "atrocities" at Gitmo:

    A significant number of detainees' complaints were either exaggerated or fabricated (no surprise given al Qaeda's explicit instructions to trainees to lie). One detainee who claimed to have been "beaten, spit upon and treated worse than a dog" could not provide a single detail pertaining to mistreatment by U.S. military personnel. Another detainee claimed that guards were physically abusive, but admitted he hadn't seen it.

    Another detainee disputed one of the now-globally infamous claims that American guards had mistreated the Koran. The detainee said that riots resulted from claims that a guard dropped the Koran. In actuality, the detainee said, a detainee dropped the Koran then blamed a guard. Other detainees who complained about abuse of the Koran admitted they had never personally witnessed any such abuse, but one said he had heard that non-Muslim soldiers touched the Koran when searching it for contraband.

    In one case, Gitmo interrogators apologized to a detainee for interviewing him prior to the end of Ramadan.

    Several detainees indicated they had not experienced any mistreatment. Others complained about lack of privacy, lack of bed sheets, being unwillingly photographed, the guards' use of profanity, and bad food.

    If this is unacceptable, "gulag"-style "torture," then every inmate in America is a victim of human rights violations. (Oh, never mind, there are civil liberties chicken littles who actually believe that.)

    Erik Saar, who served as an army sergeant at Gitmo for six months and co-authored a negative, tell-all book about his experience titled "Inside the Wire," inadvertently provides us more firsthand details showing just how restrained, and sensitive to Islam -- to a fault, I believe -- the officials at the detention facility have been.

    Each detainee's cell has a sink installed low to the ground, "to make it easier for the detainees to wash their feet" before Muslim prayer, Saar reports. Detainees get "two hot halal, or religiously correct, meals" a day in addition to an MRE (meal ready to eat). Loudspeakers broadcast the Muslims' call to prayer five times a day.

    Every detainee gets a prayer mat, cap and Koran. Every cell has a stenciled arrow pointing toward Mecca. Moreover, Gitmo's library -- yes, library -- is stocked with Jihadi books. "I was surprised that we'd be making that concession to the religious zealotry of the terrorists," Saar admits. "[I]t seemed to me that the camp command was helping to facilitate the terrorists' religious devotion." Saar notes that one FBI special agent involved in interrogations even grew a beard like the detainees "as a sort of show of respect for their faith."

    Unreality-based liberals would have us believe that America is systematically torturing innocent Muslims out of spite at Guantanamo Bay. Meanwhile, our own MPs have endured little-publicized abuse at the hands of manipulative, hate-mongering enemy combatants. Detainees have spit on and hurled water, urine and feces on the MPs. Causing disturbances is a source of entertainment for detainees who, as Gen. Richard Myers points out, "would turn right around and try to slit our throats, slit our children's throats" if released.

    The same unreality-based liberals whine about the Bush administration's failure to gather intelligence and prevent terrorism. Yet, these hysterical critics have no viable alternative to detention and interrogation -- and there is no doubt they would be the first to lambaste the White House and Pentagon if a released detainee went on to commit an act of mass terrorism on American soil.

    Guantanamo Bay will not be the death of this country. The unseriousness and hypocrisy of the terrorist-abetting Left is a far greater threat.


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  • Guitar Shark
    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
    • Jan 2004
    • 7576

    #2
    Re: The truth about Guantanamo Bay

    Originally posted by BigBadBrian
    The truth about Guantanamo Bay
    Michelle Malkin

    LOL... might want to come up with a new subtitle next time BBB. "An unbiased perspective"? Impossible with Malkin.
    ROTH ARMY MILITIA


    Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
    Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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    • BigBadBrian
      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
      • Jan 2004
      • 10620

      #3
      Re: Re: The truth about Guantanamo Bay

      Originally posted by Guitar Shark
      Impossible with Malkin.
      Why? :confused:
      “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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      • LoungeMachine
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Jul 2004
        • 32555

        #4
        Re: Re: Re: The truth about Guantanamo Bay

        Originally posted by BigBadBrian
        Why? :confused:
        Because only the Lefty Liberal Media can be biased?

        There are no Righties that are biased

        This coming from the guy who has Ann The MAN Coulter posters on his wall
        Originally posted by Kristy
        Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
        Originally posted by cadaverdog
        I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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        • BigBadBrian
          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
          • Jan 2004
          • 10620

          #5
          Re: Re: Re: Re: The truth about Guantanamo Bay

          Originally posted by LoungeMachine
          Because only the Lefty Liberal Media can be biased?

          There are no Righties that are biased

          This coming from the guy who has Ann The MAN Coulter posters on his wall

          You're too stupid too realize when I'm being sarcastic with GS.

          Go back to that bar band you travelled the Montana/Idaho barn circuit with.

          “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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          • LoungeMachine
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Jul 2004
            • 32555

            #6
            Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The truth about Guantanamo Bay

            Originally posted by BigBadBrian
            You're too stupid too realize when I'm being sarcastic with GS.

            Go back to that bar band you travelled the Montana/Idaho barn circuit with.

            sure got me THAT one


            keep trying. Next you'll be ridiculing my royalty statements

            poor Brie
            Originally posted by Kristy
            Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
            Originally posted by cadaverdog
            I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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            • academic punk
              Full Member Status

              • Dec 2004
              • 4436

              #7
              Originally posted by LoungeMachine

              keep trying. Next you'll be ridiculing my royalty statements

              Say what you want about LM's politics, this is a goddamn good comeback.

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              • BigBadBrian
                TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                • Jan 2004
                • 10620

                #8
                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The truth about Guantanamo Bay

                Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                sure got me THAT one


                keep trying. Next you'll be ridiculing my royalty statements

                poor Brie
                Yeah, maybe you can invest in Cocoa Puff stock now, Kip, or is your name Nuno now?
                “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                • Warham
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 14587

                  #9
                  You can't take it with you when your six feet under. Anything is open to ridicule.

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                  • academic punk
                    Full Member Status

                    • Dec 2004
                    • 4436

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Warham
                    You can't take it with you when your six feet under..
                    Maybe not, but you sure can fucking enjoy it while you're here.

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                    • Nickdfresh
                      SUPER MODERATOR

                      • Oct 2004
                      • 49125

                      #11
                      Try being in a prison with an indefinite sentence, no end in sight. That's clearly a torture all on its own. Most of those guys at GITMO are small fish that happened to have been on the wrong side in AFGHANISTAN.

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                      • Seshmeister
                        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                        • Oct 2003
                        • 35158

                        #12
                        A lot of them aren't just small fish they're not fish at all.

                        The UK guys got out eventually with no charges brought and no evidence against them.

                        Nothing in your highly 'unbiased' I'm sure, FBI report changes the fact that this is the worst most disgusting flagrant unjust policy ever adopted by a Western democratic government.

                        You should be deeply ashamed of your government. I'm ashamed mine even allies itself to yours because of this.

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                        • BigBadBrian
                          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 10620

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Seshmeister
                          A lot of them aren't just small fish they're not fish at all.

                          The UK guys got out eventually with no charges brought and no evidence against them.
                          That doesn't mean they didn't do anything. That just means you have terrorists running your streets UNCHARGED.

                          Nothing in your highly 'unbiased' I'm sure, FBI report changes the fact that this is the worst most disgusting flagrant unjust policy ever adopted by a Western democratic government.
                          In the the bright and shiny history of a Western democratic government, let us all remember that it was the British and the Dutch that began the slave trade in the New World...the new land that was eventually to become the United States of America. It took a Revolution (revolt) and a lot of violence and debate and then finally a Civil War but then this country set right the miscarriage of justice set forth upon a certain segment of our fellow man by your countrymen.

                          You should be deeply ashamed of your government. I'm ashamed mine even allies itself to yours because of this.
                          It's probably not one of the most glorious examples in our illustrious history, but there's worse things to be ashamed of, like not getting rid of Saddam sooner. Like we could have in '91. But we obeyed the UNmandate. Yes, that's United Nations, I say. So much for those clowns.

                          Or caring about how many people Saddam or his cronies butchered. That is never mentioned. That's because nobody cares about human life unless it suits their own purposes.

                          Let's not even go into the fact of how France, Germany, Russia, et al. didn't want to force Saddam's hand because they were getting absolutely stinking rich off the Oil-for-Food money Saddam was greasing their palms with. They say the war was about oil. INDEED!!!
                          “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                          • Guitar Shark
                            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 7576

                            #14
                            Your views of the world are pretty scary Brian.
                            ROTH ARMY MILITIA


                            Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
                            Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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                            • Cathedral
                              ROTH ARMY ELITE
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 6618

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Seshmeister
                              Nothing in your highly 'unbiased' I'm sure, FBI report changes the fact that this is the worst most disgusting flagrant unjust policy ever adopted by a Western democratic government.
                              I'm quite sure the Japanese would beg to differ with you on that statement, and would provide you with a strong and convincing argument citing two historical incidents.
                              Last edited by Cathedral; 06-02-2005, 11:06 AM.

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