5 demises to rock and roll

[Steve Savicki]

Besides Dave leaving VH (which I'll give for free), what do you think are the 5 biggest demises to rock and roll? Mine would be:

1. The death of Jim Morrison
2. The death of John Bonzo Bonham which ended Zeppelin
3. The loss of the Deep Purple lineup that brought us '72s "Machine Head"
4. When Joe Perry left Aerosmith (even when he returned they were never the same)
5. When the words "rock 'n roll" were removed from the airwaves and replaced with "alternative", "grunge", and "Seattle sound" when Nirvana's "smells like teen spirit" hit big - I like that music, but still, I felt that had to do with the end of rock 'n roll.

[Dave IS VH]

Of course number 1 would be Dave leaving Van Halen in 85 and 96, but here are my 5 others

1. The Death of Jim Morrison
2. The Death of Jimi Hendrix
3. Zeppelin breaking up with Bonzo Bonham dieing
4. John Lennon getting shot
5. Rock and metal going out of style in the 90's for alternative, grunge, and rap to fuck up the music seen.

[SilvioDante]

1. MTV!!!!
2. Dave/VH split
3. rap becomes popular
4. That loser Kurt Cobain sticking a shot gun in his mouth
5. Aerosmith releases "Don't Want to Miss a Thing"

[Elitest]

1.Boy bands
2.girl bands
3.boy'n'girl bands
4.comic bands
5.rubber bands

[LooseMenace]

1. Death of Hendrix
2. Deaths of Andrew Wood, Shannon Hoon, and Layne Staley
3. Poison going multiplatinum
4. Weight gain of Ann Wilson
5. Signing of Nirvana to a record deal

[Steve Savicki]

Loose, do you think the Wilson's brought out the female side of (classic) rock? Or were they musical innovators?

I wonder what AlInChainz would comment about Layne.

Poison - better them than Firehouse or Trixter.

[LooseMenace]

Hmmm. What a great question. I'd say that Heart, as a unit, could hang with any classic rock band of the day. They all had chops, and strong songwriting skills. I mean, how could the ladies NOT bring out the female side of rock? It's inherent in their gender, I reckon. I'll even go so far as to say, yes, they innovated a bit, simply by being two of a small handful of women who, at the time, truly ROCKED. "Magic Man" and "Barracuda" still do well up against more "modern" music. "Straight On For You" is killer as well.
What other women were there back then? Stevie Nicks/Christine Macveigh? Suzy Quattro? Without Heart, would Patricia Benatar have been possible? I don't know....

I knew Firehouse when they were White Heat, here in Charlotte, NC -- way back in the way back. They stood out as good musicians deserving of the break they eventually got. Unfortunately for them, it was at the tail-end of that whole "hair" genre. In all seriousness, they blow Poison out of the water. But hey, I bought "Look What the Cat Dragged In" the day it came out, so who am I to say?

[Steve Savicki]

Is buying Heart's 2-CD compilation worth it or just buy everything from the debut through Bad Animals? I thought about doing that.
How does White Heat sound? More harder?

[ALinChainz]

1. The Death of Hendrix.
2. The Death of Morrison.
3. The Death of Bonham.
4. The Death of Staley.
5. The Death of Cobain.

Each one of these guys seemed to be the end of some era, or important part of one. Obviously the deaths of Hendrix, Morrison, and Bonham were devastating because in my opinion, they were certainly innovators in rock.

Although I was never that big of Nirvana fan, you have to admit when they hit, they played a huge role in mowing down the hair band genre, and grunge taking over.

Out of those bands from Seattle though, Alice in Chains seemed to have the hard driving style, while having a diverse and unique sound. Layne had one of those voices that to me, was a style all his own. Though they didn't sound alike, Dave has the same "uniqueness", along with guys like Geddy Lee and Stephen Pearcy. I'm sure there are more that I'm forgetting, and some that others will deem more impressive, but like Elitest posted, look where the music industry is now, boy bands, etc.

The reunion thing became the thing to do, and many bands did and have done quite well touring. That's why I'll never understand Eddie and the VH thing. The two reunions I see making a impact would be Dave back with VH, and maybe Zep getting Jason Bonham to play in his dad's place before they are all on social security.

[Mr Badguy]

1) Nikki Sixx impersonated by Matthew Trippe
2) Kiss putting their make up back on
3) GnR taking five years to follow "Appetite for destruction"
4) The "Grunge" (so called) phenomenon
5) Def Leppard turning into a pop band
6) Metallica turning their back on "real" Heavy Metal
7) Ozzy losing credibility as musician and media personality
8) Shit hair bands like Tuff, Trixter, Slaughter, Extreme Etc.
9) Bon Jovi
10) Every hair band going "serious" to compete with "Grunge"

I could go on.

Just a few that I thought were missing, not to say any of the above are less important.

[Wayne L.]

Rock & roll has been on the DEMISE ever since the decade of the 80's which is why it's on life support at this moment nearing it's 50th annivesary in 05 while the breakup of the Beatles, the death of Jim Hendrix, Janis Joplin & Jim Morrison, the breakup of the original VH are huge events in rock history.

[Hollywood Jesus]

Man, you guys are all aiming at squirrels instead of the target.

The audience decided when rock died. A whole generation (plus) of America went soft.

Everything got really PC, gay and European when the Dems hit the whitehouse. No matter political party you are, you have to admit we all got a little more "sensitive" in the '90s.

Bring back Miller Time 'cause this Zima tastes a little flat to me. There's the damn lightning bolt in your Cheerios.


Edit for PS - Why am I now a recruit? Guess I haven't been here in a year or so. (Still more on the ball than EVH!) Did my status lapse?

[FORD]

The first demise was in February 1959 when Buddy Holly, Richie Valens, and the Big Bopper died in a plane crash. Elvis Presley had already been drafted, and Eddie Cochran's death would soon follow. Meanwhile, Chuck Berry was sent to prison - guilty of being black and rich, and Jerry Lee Lewis fucked himself by fucking (and marrying) his 13 year old cousin. Collectively, this was the first demise of rock n roll.

Second was the dark period begun by the death of Brian Jones and ended by the death of Jim Morrison. Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin being halfway in between the two. And the breakup of the Beatles in the middle of all of this. Thank God that the Stones survived.

1980 - Bon Scott, John Bonham, and John Lennon all gone within the same year. I was too young to remember the 1969-1971 string of deaths, but I still remember where I was when I heard that Bon, Bonzo, and John were dead.

The final demise of rock n roll is synonymous with what is proving to be the final demise of America in general - massive corporate consolidation. The entire music industry is controlled by 4 huge corporations. Radio in most major markets is controlled by 3 companies. The result so far is some of the most pathetic music in existence. Can you name anybody on the current Billboard chart who can even write songs and play musical instruments. Only in country music, it would seem. But the Clear Channel corporate masters are trying to transform that entire genre into BCE propaganda with mindless shit like Toby Keith and Darryl Worley, singing lyrics that might as well have been written by Karl Rove himself.

What I wouldn't give to have John Lennon, Bon Scott, Jimi Hendrix , and Kurt Cobain back right about now

[FORD]

Originally posted by Hollywood Jesus



Edit for PS - Why am I now a recruit? Guess I haven't been here in a year or so. (Still more on the ball than EVH!) Did my status lapse?

When the Army re-opened on New Years Eve, it was wiped clean, and we all started over as "recruits".

[BITEYOASS]

ok here's my list

1. Dave leaving VH in 85'
2. Courtney Love kills Kurt Cobain (I know the jury is still out on that one)
3. Bonzo, Morrison, Mercury and Lennon dying
4. Boybands
5. Hairbands