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  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 58783

    Burger King Wants to Buy Tim Hortons and Become Canadian Tax Cheaters

    Burger King in Talks to Buy Canadian Chain Tim Hortons
    By Leslie Patton and Craig Giammona - Aug 25, 2014


    Burger King Worldwide Inc. (BKW), the second-largest U.S. burger chain, is in talks to buy Tim Hortons Inc. (THI) and move its headquarters to Canada, becoming the latest American company seeking to relocate to a lower-tax country.

    Burger King would create the world’s third-largest fast-food chain by merging with Canada’s biggest seller of coffee and doughnuts, the companies said in a statement. The Canadian corporate tax rate is typically 26.5 percent, compared with 40 percent in the U.S., according to auditing and tax firm KPMG.

    The deal renews debate over American companies shifting their headquarters internationally in search of lower corporate tax bills. The trend drew criticism last month from President Barack Obama, and his aides vowed that the administration would take action to curtail the practice.

    “There’s some modest political risk to the deal, but it’s difficult to say because we haven’t seen the administration move to block one of these yet,” said Will Slabaugh, an analyst at Stephens Inc. in Little Rock, Arkansas.

    The merger talks sent shares of both companies soaring. Burger King rose 20 percent to $32.40, the biggest jump since the stock debuted on the New York Stock Exchange two years ago. Tim Hortons climbed 19 percent to C$82.03, reaching a record high. The stock gains propelled the market value of Burger King past $11 billion and Tim Hortons to C$10.9 billion ($9.9 billion).

    The proposed deal would give Burger King access to a coffee brand with a cult following and potentially help boost breakfast sales. Burger King now sells coffees under the Seattle’s Best name, which is owned by Starbucks Corp. Tim Hortons also would let Burger King get into the grocery business by selling packaged coffees at supermarkets in North America.

    3G Capital, which has a 70 percent stake in Miami-based Burger King, would own the majority of the shares of the new company, according to the statement. The two businesses will operate as stand-alone brands, though there may be supply-chain cost savings from combining them.

    How U.S. Companies Buy Tax Breaks

    3G was co-founded by billionaire Jorge Paulo Lemann, Brazil’s richest person. The firm’s managers have gained a reputation by squeezing costs out of the companies it acquires, Slabaugh said.

    “These guys are known for making some very smart financial moves,” he said.


    3G, which teamed up with Berkshire Hathaway Inc. last year to buy HJ Heinz Co., has made cost cutting a priority at the ketchup company. Heinz embarked on a plan to fire more than 1,000 workers and close plants in North America, though a group of Ontario investors said in March that they would keep open the Canadian tomato-juice factory.

    In Burger King’s case, the new combined business would have about $22 billion in sales and more than 18,000 restaurants in 100 countries. The deal is subject to negotiation, and Burger King and Tim Hortons don’t plan to comment further until an agreement is reached or discussions are discontinued, according to the statement.

    Between mid-June and late July, when Obama began criticizing deals that cut taxes by relocating outside the U.S., at least five large American companies have announced plans to make such a move -- known as an “inversion.” That includes AbbVie Inc. and Medtronic Inc.

    Since the start of 2012, at least 21 U.S. companies have announced or completed the deals, comprising almost half the total of 51 such transactions in the past three decades.

    Burger King already pays a rate below 40 percent, the result of operating in a mix of tax jurisdictions. Its effective tax rate in 2013 was 27.5 percent, the company said in a filing. Still, the rate may eventually creep up toward 35 percent without the inversion, Slabaugh said.

    White House spokesman Josh Earnest said today he wouldn’t comment on specific actions by any company. He repeated previous administration statements that the Treasury Department is looking at potential changes in rules to make tax inversion deals “less appealing.”

    “Companies that consider actions like an inversion continue to benefit from all of the resources of the United States,” Earnest said at a briefing in Washington. “It’s not fair for them to just fill out some paperwork that would allow them to just renounce their citizenship” to lower their tax rate.

    Close Loophole?

    Earnest said Obama’s goal remains getting Congress to pass legislation to rework business taxes. Saying that getting that done will “take some time,” he said Congress in the interim should approve stand-alone legislation closing the loophole that allows inversions.

    Tim Hortons, which has about 4,500 restaurants, is expanding its product lines to boost sales. The Oakville, Ontario-based company posted results this month that beat estimates and said fiscal 2014 profit will top or be at the high end of its target range.

    Burger King, meanwhile, has been trying to revive growth in a moribund fast-food industry. Its revenue fell 6.1 percent to $261.2 million in the second quarter, while same-store sales in the U.S. and Canada rose 0.4 percent. To help streamline the chain, Burger King has been trying to introduce fewer new items, helping its kitchens move more quickly.
    Young Management

    The plan to move to Canada follows Burger King’s stock-market debut in 2012. The chain had been taken private in 2010 by 3G, which got $1.4 billion in cash from the public offering.

    About a year after it was taken public, 3G put one of its partners, Daniel Schwartz, at the helm of the fast-food chain. Schwartz, 33, a Cornell University graduate, had no experience in the industry before going to Burger King. Chief Financial Officer Josh Kobza and Alex Macedo, who runs North America for Burger King, also are under 40 years old.

    U.S. fast-food restaurants are struggling with shaky consumer confidence and steep competition, adding pressure to find ways to alleviate the burden. Burger King has been trying to draw customers with value deals, such as a two-sandwiches-for-$5 offer, as well as some new limited-time fare such as chicken fries.

    Tim Hortons, which claims to sell eight out of 10 cups of coffee in Canada, was founded by Hall of Fame Toronto Maple Leafs hockey defenseman Tim Horton in 1964 and has become one of the nation’s most recognized brands. Wendy’s Co. acquired the chain in 1995 and then spun it off as a public company in 2006.

    Still, it’s been difficult to build the brand south of the border. Investors have criticized the company’s U.S. growth strategy, saying it hasn’t gotten much of a payoff from the hundreds of millions spent over the past decade. In an interview last year, CEO Marc Caira said winning over U.S. consumers was key to Tim Hortons’ strategy.

    “The U.S. for me is what I call a must-win battle,” he said.

    To contact the reporters on this story: Leslie Patton in Chicago at lpatton5@bloomberg.net; Craig Giammona in New York at cgiammona@bloomberg.net

    To contact the editors responsible for this story: Nick Turner at nturner7@bloomberg.net
    Eat Us And Smile

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  • cadaverdog
    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
    • Aug 2007
    • 8955

    #2
    I was going to ask your opinion but the complete title of the thread says it all. It doesn't seem right that a company that does business here shouldn't have to pay US taxes on the money they make here. Do other countries let US based companies do business there without paying taxes?
    Beware of Dog

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    • ashstralia
      ROTH ARMY ELITE
      • Feb 2004
      • 6566

      #3
      Fuck yeah. Apple and Google pay next to no tax here.

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      • Kristy
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Aug 2004
        • 16338

        #4
        Bet they get to hump kangaroos for next to nothing as well.

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        • DONNIEP
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Mar 2004
          • 13373

          #5
          Ugh...too many words. I stopped when I read BK is the second largest burger chain in the US. Who knew? I mean, I like their whopper, better than any of McDs burgers. But I always thought Burger King was kinda like one step up from Hardees.
          American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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          • Seshmeister
            ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

            • Oct 2003
            • 35192

            #6
            I have a Burger King about once a year in an emergency. We have a thing here called an Angus Burger which is almost acceptable, according to Wiki they don't do them in the US any more. Their fries are surprisingly shit which is a good thing as it stops any temptation to buy them.

            Anyhoo I think the main point of the post is the ongoing shit that big corporations don't pay corporation tax any more. Why can't governments get together and fix this?

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            • DONNIEP
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Mar 2004
              • 13373

              #7
              Right, thanks for the condensed version. When I see that many words in one post I tend to tune out.

              The Whopper here is pretty good. I haven't had BK's fries in a while but they used to be little stick looking things. Sucked Ballz. If they'd get their fries right then they'd have something.
              American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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              • Von Halen
                ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                • Dec 2003
                • 7500

                #8
                Originally posted by DONNIEP
                RWhen I see that many words in one post I tend to tune out.
                Me too!

                Tim Horton's just came out with a dark roast that is awesome!

                Hockey and Tim Horton's, the greatest things those Cafucks have ever produced!

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                • FORD
                  ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                  • Jan 2004
                  • 58783

                  #9
                  Tim Horton's is a fucking institution in Canada. Look for it to be totally destroyed if Burger King swallows it up

                  Most ironic thing about this story, is there are Tim Horton's in BC that are co-located with Wendy's, (pretty much like the KFC/Pizza Slut combo-franchises in the US) so they can't be happy about this either.
                  Eat Us And Smile

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                  • DONNIEP
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 13373

                    #10
                    Who the fuck is Tim Horton???
                    American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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                    • WACF
                      Crazy Ass Mofo
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 2920

                      #11
                      Tim Horton was a Hockey Player with one hell of an idea.

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                      • WACF
                        Crazy Ass Mofo
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 2920

                        #12
                        Originally posted by FORD
                        Tim Horton's is a fucking institution in Canada. Look for it to be totally destroyed if Burger King swallows it up

                        Most ironic thing about this story, is there are Tim Horton's in BC that are co-located with Wendy's, (pretty much like the KFC/Pizza Slut combo-franchises in the US) so they can't be happy about this either.
                        There is at least one co Wendy's/Hortons here in Saskatoon.

                        But...when I heard of this I cringed...I hope in no way they mess with it.

                        I like Timmies the way it is!

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                        • DONNIEP
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 13373

                          #13
                          Originally posted by WACF
                          Tim Horton was a Hockey Player with one hell of an idea.
                          Thank you. I figured he had to be some kind of superhero.
                          American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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                          • DONNIEP
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 13373

                            #14
                            We have a KFC/Taco Bell here in town. Sounds like an odd combo but it works. We don't eat much fast food but it's a good compromise for when I can't be bothered to cook.
                            American by birth. Southern by the grace of God.

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                            • Von Halen
                              ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                              • Dec 2003
                              • 7500

                              #15
                              We have a lot of the TH/Wendy's combo stores here in Michigan.

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