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**twonabomber** · 07-11-2010, 02:04 AM

i like this on the PD site:

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but i'm sure if some dirt about Gloria James being a "stage mother" type and the Cavs are happy to have her gone that the PD will run with it.

this was an interesting read also

Inside 'The Decision': Miami's coup was a 'surprise' built on long-coveted goal of James, Wade and Bosh

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/07/inside_the_decision_miamis_cou.html

The truth is LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh had been plotting combining their forces in the NBA for years. It was part of a complex master plan that was never guaranteed, but the trio's heartfelt desire for much of the past four years.

**POJO_Risin** · 07-11-2010, 10:53 AM

Yeah twona...

I followed Windhorst through this whole process, including that piece, and kept thinking, "This guy is as good as it gets."

I wouldn't be surprised to see Windhorst getting some money to go bigtime. It will be interesting to see if he goes there.

I can't wait for Windhorst and/or Pluto to put out another book...this time on the deception...

**POJO_Risin** · 07-11-2010, 10:55 AM

Unfortunately, I really...really do believe this was the first nail in the coffin of the end of NBA basketball in Cleveland.

With LeBron, nobody would come here. Without LeBron, and with Gilbert there...well..

As much as the rest of the world know what a fucking jizz LeDick is, you know how it is with regards to NBA players and their "peeps." Gilbert's going to get stonewalled. LeBron said, in his latest interview, "he didn't think of how it would effect his long-term future..."

Not only is LeSuck fucking us now, but you watch. Behind the scenes, LeCock is going to do everything he can to keep the Cavs from succeeding...

**POJO_Risin** · 07-11-2010, 10:59 AM

I won't watch a Heat game...ever...except for their game in Cleveland...and likely only the first couple of minutes...long enough to watch LeShithead's powder throw...as the Cavs-fans all brick him..

**SilvioDante** · 07-11-2010, 11:14 AM

What happened with LeBron is the future of pro sports. Teams like the Cavs, the Pacers, the Grizzlies, the Raptors, the Timberwolves, are going to be also rans for here on out. Try to convince a big name free agent to spend the winter in the Midwest. Not gonna happen. But you say "Sil, what about the threesome that went to Boston." You mean Boston, the second home of ESPN, where they pimp ALL New England teams? Where they will get constant exposure?

Like I say, this is the future of all pro sports. Small to mid market teams are toast, unless you have a winning tradition, like the Steelers. Midwestern cities are toast, unless you have tradition like the Bulls. Cold cities are toast unless you have money or a media center, like the Yankees.

It's all about the brand name on the back. LaBron just made it official.

**twonabomber** · 07-11-2010, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by POJO_Risin

I wouldn't be surprised to see Windhorst getting some money to go bigtime. It will be interesting to see if he goes there.

i was thinking that this morning, after reading all his latest. he's gonna be summoned to Miami, or else he'll stay here and be what Casey Coleman was to Bill Belichick. i'm sure you read this but everyone else probably hasn't:

Hey, Brian: Unless I missed it, I have not read what your opinion is of LeBron leaving the Cavs. A lot of other columnists have given their opinions, but I know you have covered him for many years. Are you upset with him? -- Gregg Simers, Cincinnati

Hey, Gregg: I know this may not be popular, but my opinion is that James had every right to take advantage of the free agency he earned. Moving to Miami and playing with two other All-Stars would be a dream come true for many people. I do, though, take issue with two things.

One was the way he ended it. He waited eight days and that limited the Cavs' options to improve after he left. Doing it on national television while not showing the courtesy to personally inform the Cavs he was leaving. Especially the way he was treated by the team and the city. The other was that even though he gave the Cavs seven seasons, taking the shorter three-year deal didn't seem to fairly give the team a chance to build long term around him. They competed year-to-year because they were attempting to keep him happy.

**twonabomber** · 07-11-2010, 11:24 AM

and i forgot about this, on someone's Twitter:

**POJO_Risin** · 07-11-2010, 11:31 AM

Yeah Twona...I had read that...

I have to tell you...I find it so interesting the way the Miami Terdumverate is handling all this. D-Wade is always at the middle, because Miami is his team. LeBron always on his wing...and Bosh...just doesn't seem to fit...

Now...this is DWade's team...but does LeBron take a backseat to that?...and what about Bosh...when he realizes that he was more like ball-skin, instead of actual balls. If Miami doesn't make a run this year...and it's possible they won't, it could be interesting...

I also have to wonder what would happen should DWade have injury issues, as he's had in the past. If it's just LeBron and Bosh and a host of cheap-ass veterans...this becomes a marginal playoff contender at best.

It will be interesting to see what happens to small market teams and/or bad locale teams in the future...

**twonabomber** · 07-11-2010, 11:34 AM

hey, it can't be that bad, Shawn Kemp played here!

**POJO_Risin** · 07-11-2010, 11:38 AM

Don't count out Gloria pulling some Miami Strings, and getting her tattooed bitch out of Cleveland, and to Miami for some daily felching...

**Va Beach VH Fan** · 07-11-2010, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by POJO_Risin

Yeah twona...

I followed Windhorst through this whole process, including that piece, and kept thinking, "This guy is as good as it gets."

I wouldn't be surprised to see Windhorst getting some money to go bigtime. It will be interesting to see if he goes there.

I can't wait for Windhorst and/or Pluto to put out another book...this time on the deception...

Looking at it from an outsider's point of view, if you're Windhorst, moving to Miami from Cleveland would be a no-brainer, if they actually offered it to him....

I've never been to Miami myself, basically the only major city in Florida I haven't been to, but I've heard many, many people say some pretty shitty things about that town....

**Unchainme** · 07-11-2010, 12:06 PM

Small Market teams...depending on the league, can survive

The NFL, you look at the Packers, Brownies, Steelers, all obvious examples, all sell out consistently, and the Browns generally have a chance to nab any free agent they so desire. One could argue that the NFL really fucked up with the 1999 expansion process, but again, the Browns will be able to dig themselves out of that hole if they can put a couple of things together.

Baseball is fucked up though, you'll never see the Pirates, Royals or Tribe sniff a World Series, and that's thanks to Bud Selig. I was really hoping that a lockout would happen a few years, just for the good of the sport, because eventually that would have mean't that the asshole would have been out on ass.

Basketball is growing into a baseball like affair, especially after this ordeal. I don't blame stern in this, I think he's just as angry as to how lebron handled things, as the rest of the country was, because it makes his product look tainted. Some changes are going to be made.

**Unchainme** · 07-11-2010, 12:13 PM

LeBron on ESPN in a teaser:

"I was like..forget about all of this..Tonights about me.."

Where did I hear that before...it sounds so familiar.

**SilvioDante** · 07-11-2010, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by Unchainme

Small Market teams...depending on the league, can survive

The NFL, you look at the Packers, Brownies, Steelers, all obvious examples, all sell out consistently, and the Browns generally have a chance to nab any free agent they so desire. One could argue that the NFL really fucked up with the 1999 expansion process, but again, the Browns will be able to dig themselves out of that hole if they can put a couple of things together.

Baseball is fucked up though, you'll never see the Pirates, Royals or Tribe sniff a World Series, and that's thanks to Bud Selig. I was really hoping that a lockout would happen a few years, just for the good of the sport, because eventually that would have mean't that the asshole would have been out on ass.

Basketball is growing into a baseball like affair, especially after this ordeal. I don't blame stern in this, I think he's just as angry as to how lebron handled things, as the rest of the country was, because it makes his product look tainted. Some changes are going to be made.

About small market teams, you made my point, Those 3 teams, tradition, tradition, and tradition. I will grant you this, it is WAY easier in the NFL, compared to other leagues, for small market.

Baseball, as long as the Yankees and the Red Sox have their own networks (YES and ESPN) and no salary cap, this is what you will get. (Although most Pirates fans will say the organization is horribly ran).

If you think Stern is mad, you're crazy. No such thing as bad publicity. The MLB All-Star Game is this week, the World Cup ends today and the British Open starts this week, and all we hear about on ESPN is LaBron. His product has been tainted for a long time. Refs were throwing games for God's sake. This is a gold mine. We hate it, but we're talking about it.

**POJO_Risin** · 07-11-2010, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by Unchainme

Small Market teams...depending on the league, can survive

The NFL, you look at the Packers, Brownies, Steelers, all obvious examples, all sell out consistently, and the Browns generally have a chance to nab any free agent they so desire. One could argue that the NFL really fucked up with the 1999 expansion process, but again, the Browns will be able to dig themselves out of that hole if they can put a couple of things together.

Baseball is fucked up though, you'll never see the Pirates, Royals or Tribe sniff a World Series, and that's thanks to Bud Selig. I was really hoping that a lockout would happen a few years, just for the good of the sport, because eventually that would have mean't that the asshole would have been out on ass.

Basketball is growing into a baseball like affair, especially after this ordeal. I don't blame stern in this, I think he's just as angry as to how lebron handled things, as the rest of the country was, because it makes his product look tainted. Some changes are going to be made.

I've heard what Stern said, but I don't buy it. I think he's ecstatic to have those three together. He knows the fans are pissed off...so he's acting like he's pissed, but he's not.

The NBA is set up with a hard cap, so it will never be like MLB. It's actually set up with the Bird-Rule...which makes what just happened unprecedented. Bosh and LeButtsniffer allegedly left taking less money. Now, they ended up getting the sign-and-trade, which does undermine the whole Bird-Rule theory. That said, Kevin Durant just re-signed with Okie City...

What this LeBallsack signing does though is lend credence to the theory that you have to be surrounded by stars. The Celts did the same thing...but did it via trades for Garnett and Allen, which makes it a little big more understandable.

At the end of the day, LePubichair, Boosh and D-Bag set this all up four years ago. Their plan all along was to play together, which is fine, to be honest. It's how it was done. Like I said before, had LeBron signed the three-year deal and said, "I got together with my friends, and we were hoping at some point to play together. Maybe at the end of this contract, we can figure out a way to make that happen in Cleveland, or another city."

Instead, they all fucking lie. Actually, Boosh is the only one that was pretty square from the start. D-Bag and LeFelch lied from the start. Whatever. You reap what you sew. Either they reap titles, or they reap never being able to live up to the hype...

Fucking liars...