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  • chefcraig
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Apr 2004
    • 12172

    2011 Daytona 500

    This is an interesting read by David Whitley from Fanhouse.com. He doesn't come right out and blatantly accuse the sanctioning body of manipulation, but he sure comes close as hell.

    Smells Like NASCAR's Cookin' Up Storybook Win for Dale Jr.

    By David Whitley

    NASCAR is asking 200,000 fans to honor Dale Earnhardt this coming Sunday. On the third lap, everyone at the Daytona 500 will be asked to extend three fingers.

    The announcer might as well say, "Everyone who thinks Dale's son will win, please raise your hand."

    The smart money is on Junior. So is the dumb money, the Confederate money and every other bit of currency. Ten years after Dale Sr. died at the track, who doesn't think the Earnhardt stars are aligning?

    "I don't really get into that hypothetical, fairy-tale ending stuff," Junior said.

    He would like to earn his way into victory lane. Others suspect Earnhardt will do it the old-fashioned way – by relying on the script writers NASCAR hired from Disney.

    I normally dismiss conspiracy theorists as having moon rocks for brains, but this isn't Dealey Plaza or Area 51. This is Daytona International, where a second gunman always seems ready to shoot out the tires of Earnhardt's competition.

    I'm speaking theoretically, of course. In reality, Earnhardt just won the Daytona 500 pole fair and square. Same thing when he drew the pole position for last Saturday's Budweiser Shootout. That came a day after the lights went out during practice.

    Rumor has it NASCAR quickly installed a trap door on Turn 2. It will swallow every car not driven by a Wrangler jeans spokesman.

    "Things are certainly lining up an interesting way," Jeff Gordon said. "I mean, (Earnhardt) pulled the pole for the Shootout, won the pole for the Daytona 500, the lights went out the other night. Some strange activity happening around the Daytona 500 right now."

    He doesn't really buy into the conspiracy theory. But drivers don't have to be accomplices to make this one work. NASCAR inspectors can simply pretend they don't see that 1.21 gigawatt Flux Capacitor under the hood of the No. 88.

    I'm not accusing anyone of aiding and abetting. It's just that this sport seems to have a way of producing perfect winners.

    It needed an Americana moment at the 1984 Firecracker 400, when Ronald Reagan became the first sitting president to attend a race. I'll be darned if Richard Petty didn't finally win his 200th race that day.


    Fast forward to 1998, when NASCAR was kicking off its 50th anniversary season and Earnhardt Sr. was running his 20th Daytona 500. What a fine time for The Intimidator to finally win the big race.

    After he died in his No. 3 Chevy, who better to win the first race back at Daytona five months later than the Little Intimidator? Junior charged so fast at the end you'd have thought his restrictor plates weren't so restricted.

    "I knew going in the No. 8 car was going to win this race," Jimmy Spencer said. "Something was fictitious."

    "You don't go by yourself on the outside and make that kind of time up," Johnny Benson said. "But it's okay. It was good that Junior won."

    Spencer later apologized, sort of.

    "Problem is, I speak what's on my mind. Other people don't," he said. "I would say probably 75 percent of the garage was saying that."

    When Little E wins, NASCAR wins. Being the circuit's most popular driver has certain privileges. Like at Talladega in 2004, when he appeared to drive below the yellow line while making a late pass to win. NASCAR didn't penalize him and refused to show the video replay to media after the race.

    Was he getting special treatment?

    "The great ones, unfortunately, always have to get that label," NASCAR boss Brian France said.

    Little E was never great, but at least he was competitive when he drove for his father's old DEI team. Since moving to Hendrick Motorsports in 2008, Junior has one more win than Lee Harvey Oswald. He comes into Daytona on a 93-race winless streak.

    The burden of proof isn't on the conspiracy theorists. It's on Little E to prove he can win without outside help. When it comes to that, the outside help sure knows how to pick its spots.

    Earnhardt's only win last year was in the Nationwide series race at Daytona. He drove a special No. 3 car in honor of dear old dad.

    All that's just a prelude to this year's Dale-palooza. The Intimidator is looming larger than ever, so strange things are bound to happen.

    Like the lights flickering out, fans giving a 600,000-finger salute and a driver who can't win suddenly roaring around the track in the fastest car.

    That driver may not believe in fairy tales. Luckily for him, NASCAR does.









    “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
    ― Stephen Hawking
  • kwame k
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Feb 2008
    • 11302

    #2
    Why is it that I'm not surprised if that actually happens.......
    Originally posted by vandeleur
    E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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    • Von Halen
      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

      • Dec 2003
      • 7557

      #3
      Neckcar is like the WWE. The same hilljacks that watch Neckcar, watch the WWE.

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      • POJO_Risin
        Roth Army Caesar
        • Mar 2003
        • 40648

        #4
        I can't fucking stand articles like that...like a guy like Earnhardt doesn't have to deal with enough failure...that his potential win at Daytona is already questioned...

        Now...if the guy wins...regardless of how...he does it with a couple of nudges and a couple of winks?
        "Van Halen was one of the most hallelujah, tailgate, backyard, BBQ, arrive four hours early to the gig just for the parking lot bands. And still to this day is. It's an attitude. I think it's a spirit more than anything else is."

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        • chefcraig
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Apr 2004
          • 12172

          #5
          The thing is, NASCAR has a long history of "precious moments" that could have been manufactured, opening the sanctioning body up to conspiracy theories. In Richard Petty's last Daytona 500, his car (which at the time was far behind competitively due to financial woes) suddenly gets on the outside pole for the race. For the rest of the season, Petty started damned near dead last, so how did that happen? Same thing last year with Earnhardt Jr. driving a car that was a replica of his dad's yellow Wrangler machine, the car known for the infamous "pass in the grass" against Bill Elliot. Again, a car that had not been close to being competitive somehow manages enough horsepower to blow past everyone in the field and capture the victory.

          To an extent, Von has a point about the WWE. Not with regard to the fan base, but with the perception of what appears to be scripted outcomes of key situations.









          “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
          ― Stephen Hawking

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          • POJO_Risin
            Roth Army Caesar
            • Mar 2003
            • 40648

            #6
            Scripting a Daytona 500 finish?

            Seriously?

            I know you have watched Daytona in recent years...hell...since restrictor plates...

            There's no fucking way you can script that race because of the 2 to 3 big ones. The difference in all of his Daytona and Talladega wins were he had a partner that pushed the shit out of him, and that DEI restrictor plate program was the best of the bunch...

            Earnhardt won the 500 in 2004. Wouldn't it have been MORE perfect to win in 2002? I know his car had issues...

            What about 2003? He led 22 laps...but was a lap down when the race was rain shortened. DEI driver Mike Waltrip won. I remember conspiracy theorists talking about that one as well...how it wouldn't have been called for anyone but Waltrip.

            Earnhardt won the 2001 Pepsi 400...being pushed by Waltrip...weren't they 1&2 at Daytona earlier...when pops died? That's the one race I could see being "rigged" to some extent, but again...it would have to be the perfect scenario. His car was strong...as it was for nearly every restrictor race back then..and for a few years after...

            As for last year...who gives a fuck about nationwide...
            "Van Halen was one of the most hallelujah, tailgate, backyard, BBQ, arrive four hours early to the gig just for the parking lot bands. And still to this day is. It's an attitude. I think it's a spirit more than anything else is."

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            • PETE'S BROTHER
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Feb 2007
              • 12678

              #7
              i like nationwide's new car bodies....
              Another one of those classic genius posts, sure to generate responses. You log on the next day to see what your witty gem has produced to find no one gets it and 2 knotheads want to stick their dicks in it... Well played, sir!!

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              • chefcraig
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Apr 2004
                • 12172

                #8
                Originally posted by POJO_Risin
                Scripting a Daytona 500 finish?

                Seriously?
                Of course not, the point I'm making is toward the perception of such things taking place. As we speak, NASCAR is falling all over itself in an attempt to slow down the cars for the racing on Thursday and Sunday. Think about it, what other "sport" changes and revises it's rules on an almost weekly basis? Does the NFL change the length of the field or narrow the goal posts days before a contest, or does baseball change the amount of innings taking place (other than by acts of nature) during a game? That sort of flexibility, the notion that the event can be directly impacted for the loss or benefit of a competitor by it's very sanctioning body is what the conspiracy theorists hang their collective hats upon. Hell, the article even mentions drivers who believe some sort of "fix" was taking place in the past. (Yeah, the example of Jimmy Spencer was pretty weak, seeing as he will never be known as the sports biggest brain, but you get the drift.)

                Look, the reality of the situation (as with all conspiracy theories) makes it impossible. There are simply too many moving parts, if you will, in order to pull it off. But that isn't to say that the suspicion does not exist, and NASCAR's questionable integrity, along with it's at times dubious credibility over the years plays right into that.
                Last edited by chefcraig; 02-16-2011, 11:31 AM.









                “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
                ― Stephen Hawking

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                • kwame k
                  TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 11302

                  #9
                  ...and NASCAR does favor certain drivers. Doesn't take a conspiracy theorist to see that.

                  I guess after Senior's death NASCAR has slowly been going downhill, IMO.
                  Originally posted by vandeleur
                  E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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                  • Va Beach VH Fan
                    ROTH ARMY FOUNDER
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 17913

                    #10
                    Originally posted by chefcraig
                    After he died in his No. 3 Chevy, who better to win the first race back at Daytona five months later than the Little Intimidator? Junior charged so fast at the end you'd have thought his restrictor plates weren't so restricted.

                    "I knew going in the No. 8 car was going to win this race," Jimmy Spencer said. "Something was fictitious."

                    "You don't go by yourself on the outside and make that kind of time up," Johnny Benson said. "But it's okay. It was good that Junior won."

                    Spencer later apologized, sort of.

                    "Problem is, I speak what's on my mind. Other people don't," he said. "I would say probably 75 percent of the garage was saying that."
                    I remember that Pepsi 400 race from 2001 like it was yesterday, no doubt in my mind it was fixed for JR.....
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                    • chefcraig
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Apr 2004
                      • 12172

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
                      I remember that Pepsi 400 race from 2001 like it was yesterday, no doubt in my mind it was fixed for JR.....
                      You also have to question the hierarchy of NASCAR, which has a thread of southern-styled family propriety more or less...err, inbred. For instance, shortly before Davey Allison's death, his wife was carrying on a very public affair with country singer Joe Diffie. Nothing appeared in the press or in the various NASCAR related media, even after Diffie performed at Allison's wake. So it is possible to view a certain amount of fixing taking place every so often, but the nature of competitiveness, along with so many people needing to be in on things can make you draw the conclusion that for specific events, results can be manipulated, but for it to take place on a grand scale would be just short of improbable.









                      “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
                      ― Stephen Hawking

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                      • Unchainme
                        ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                        • Apr 2005
                        • 7746

                        #12
                        If there was a conspiracy theory, wouldn't jimmie johnson not have won shit in regards to a nextel/whatever cell phone company cup X5.

                        Dude's hated by Nascar fans and doesn't have near a big a fanbase as say Jr., Stewart or even Gordon. He's also almost, unmarketable to the n-th degree with the lack of any sort of personality, be it the Villian (Busch) or the good ol' boy (Earnhardt).

                        Why would you want him as the face of your league?
                        Still waiting for a relevant Browns Team

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                        • Seshmeister
                          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                          • Oct 2003
                          • 35755

                          #13
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                          • chefcraig
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Apr 2004
                            • 12172

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unchainme
                            If there was a conspiracy theory, wouldn't jimmie johnson not have won shit in regards to a nextel/whatever cell phone company cup X5.

                            Dude's hated by Nascar fans and doesn't have near a big a fanbase as say Jr., Stewart or even Gordon. He's also almost, unmarketable to the n-th degree with the lack of any sort of personality, be it the Villian (Busch) or the good ol' boy (Earnhardt).

                            Why would you want him as the face of your league?
                            Like I was saying, the general conspiracy would only cover selected events, that everyone involved would agree as being beneficial to the sport. This obviously could not be upheld for the true competition, as there are too many factors to consider.

                            Having a bland, non-threatening guy as a champion is merely a bi-product of that competition. If Stewart or Harvick (or pretty much anyone else) had that Hendrick team behind them, I'm pretty much convinced that they would be holding up the trophy at the awards banquet at the end of the past 5 consecutive years.









                            “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
                            ― Stephen Hawking

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                            • chefcraig
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Apr 2004
                              • 12172

                              #15
                              Great. This same guy (Brian Tuohy) just happens to be promoting a speculative book about fixing. Here, he goes on about NASCAR.

                              Is the fix in for NASCAR's Daytona 500 race?









                              “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
                              ― Stephen Hawking

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