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[Mr Badguy]

Someone get Vince Jim Hellwig`s number!

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Originally posted by Mr Badguy
I think Jannety getting a deal is good.
He did a solid job last week although he is another "old" guy.

True he did a solid job, but do you think he will continue to do so? Anybody looks great when they are wrestling Kurt Angle....That said I think he will do alright, although I'm not really sure what they can do with him, who would he feud with? I have a feeling he will end up a regular on Sunday Night Heat....Look what happened with Curt Henning, they gave him a small push when he first came back in the Royale Rumble, then did nothing with him, and Henning IMO was way more talented then Marty....

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Originally posted by Mr Badguy
Someone get Vince Jim Hellwig`s number!

Hell no!

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by Full Bug
True he did a solid job, but do you think he will continue to do so? Anybody looks great when they are wrestling Kurt Angle....That said I think he will do alright, although I'm not really sure what they can do with him, who would he feud with? I have a feeling he will end up a regular on Sunday Night Heat....Look what happened with Curt Henning, they gave him a small push when he first came back in the Royale Rumble, then did nothing with him, and Henning IMO was way more talented then Marty....

At least they didn`t make Kurt squash him, which is what I thought the angle was going to be.

Which show is he going to?

If they can sign someone Jannety`s age then there`s still hope for Sting.

And Hogan!

And anyone else who wrestled since 1985.

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Shannon Moore was in a car accident - Shannon Moore had been driving in a Hummer after attending the house show in Fayetteville. Shannon had been following Matt Hardy, who was in a corvette, when he decided to jump in front. A steel frame truck driven by a drunk, fairly high ranking sergeant in the US Army near Fort Bragg hit Shannon's hummer head on at over 50 MPH. Shannon's hummer was completely totaled and many feel it could have been that kind of vehicle that saved his life. It's considered very lucky that Matt was not in the lead when the accident took place as it could have been a fatal situation. Shannon was released from the hospital the following day but did suffer a concussion and whiplash.

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Originally posted by Mr Badguy
I think Jannety getting a deal is good.

He did a solid job last week although he is another "old" guy.

How many times can they go to the well for former wrestlers?

Warlord?

Who`s next?

http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/publish/article_12448.shtml

apparently Warlord was on hand to do some video and photo work for WWE 24/7. So there is nothing to him actually wrestling. phew... Im happy for Jannety though.

Who's next? Easy.... Sting!

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you seem to know an awful lot aboot fat sweaty men in tights

[monkeythe]

Originally posted by Mr Badguy
That would be true if he would let some other guys get over.

Kinda like Flair did when he was on top fifteen years ago.

Although he always had the belt, he showed enough vulnerability to make you think that he might lose it on any given night.

HHH is doing exactly what Flair did 15 years ago. HHH always is vulnerable to being beaten & when he loses it he regains it quickly.
Who did Flair ever put over in his glory decade? Everyone he beat lost it back really quickly. How long were the title reigns of Race, Dusty, Von Erich, Ron Garvin, Steamboat & Sting? Everyone he lost the belt to, he regained it back from in a few months mostly in clean finishes even though he was the bad guy.

He beat everyone into the ground to the point that when he left WCW as champ there was no one able to replace him at the top. And to make it worse, he took the title with him not caring how it affected the guys whose careers he shit all over. He couldn't even give anyone the rub on the way out the door.

I guess HHH is really following Flair's footsteps.

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Originally posted by monkeythe
And to make it worse, he took the title with him not caring how it affected the guys whose careers he shit all over. He couldn't even give anyone the rub on the way out the door.

Thats not how it went down, Flair had paid a 15,000 deposit type thing on the belt for reasons I cant recall this very moment, and WCW wouldnt give him back the money, so when they didnt he held onto the belt, wouldnt you?
Flair has been putting guys over most of his career, HHH buries almost everyone, his speech on Raw Monday is another example of that....

Triple H came out for one of the most telling interviews I have ever seen.
Wow, just wow. He said he is underappreciated, and talked about taking Randy
Orton and Batista from nothing and making them into stars. He talked about Orton being on top of the business, and said now Orton is groveling for the scraps of WrestleMania to make himself a star again. He said Batista could beat JBL and Cena together by himself, but instead he decided to stay on Raw. HHH continued by talking about how great he is, and said that someone else calling himself a Wrestling God is a joke. He then talked about Chris Benoit as another guy who fell to him. He said Batista will wrestle Kane in an anything goes heel lumberjack match. He called Batista an animal that bit
the hand that fed him, and said he will put the animal down.

This was a well delivered, if overlong promo. However, never in my life have I seen a promo where a top talent buried so many other people so completely, and so unnecessarily. He hit on completely true weaknesses of character after character, and just buried them to the fans. This was an eye-opening moment, as out of insecurity the man who is supposed to eventually be in charge of the promotion purposefully tried to bury all of his peers.

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Originally posted by Full Bug
Thats not how it went down, Flair had paid a 15,000 deposit type thing on the belt for reasons I cant recall this very moment, and WCW wouldnt give him back the money, so when they didnt he held onto to belt, wouldnt you?
Flair has been putting guys over most of his career, HHH buries almost everyone, his speech on Raw Monday is another example of that....

Triple H came out for one of the most telling interviews I have ever seen.
Wow, just wow. He said he is underappreciated, and talked about taking Randy
Orton and Batista from nothing and making them into stars. He talked about Orton being on top of the business, and said now Orton is groveling for the scraps of WrestleMania to make himself a star again. He said Batista could beat JBL and Cena together by himself, but instead he decided to stay on Raw. HHH continued by talking about how great he is, and said that someone else calling himself a Wrestling God is a joke. He then talked about Chris Benoit as another guy who fell to him. He said Batista will wrestle Kane in an anything goes heel lumberjack match. He called Batista an animal that bit
the hand that fed him, and said he will put the animal down.

This was a well delivered, if overlong promo. However, never in my life have I seen a promo where a top talent buried so many other people so completely, and so unnecessarily. He hit on completely true weaknesses of character after character, and just buried them to the fans. This was an eye-opening moment, as out of insecurity the man who is supposed to eventually be in charge of the promotion purposefully tried to bury all of his peers.

It was a $25 000 bond on the belt. An insurance pay off for the NWA championship commitee. When Flair was offered a very low contract renewel with WCW/NWA, he talked to Vince and felt the WWF was a better choice. So Flair called, I believe it was, Jim Herd, and told him he was walking away, and would like to exchange the belt for the money deposit. Herd said fuck you, and Flair showed up with the belt on WWF tv. That was a great moment for me, cause I was a HUGE WWF fan at the time, but always loved Flair, Sting and Luger. So to see Flair on WWF tv, WITH the NWA title! Damn that was cool ass shit.

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Thanx for clearing that story up BT....Yeah, it was super cool when Flair showed up with the belt, that was a huge deal at the time....Remember how they fuzzed up the video of the belt on TV for awhile? Flair's performance in the one Royal Rumble was awesome, and Bobby Heenen's commentary was classic....

[monkeythe]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Thats not how it went down, Flair had paid a 15,000 deposit type thing on the belt for reasons I cant recall this very moment, and WCW wouldnt give him back the money, so when they didnt he held onto the belt, wouldnt you?
Flair has been putting guys over most of his career, HHH buries almost everyone, his speech on Raw Monday is another example of that....

Who did Flair ever put over when he had the power to (pre-Hogan WCW)? During his original WCW run, who won their final match against Flair? Sure he might have let a guy beat him occassionally (like HHH) but he made sure he had that belt back very quickly and he won those matches clean (except Rhodes who was probably a bigger egomaniac than Flair).

Part of the reason he was told to leave with the belt had to do with the fact that he refused to lose the title. He refused to lose the belt to Lugar at the GAB or Windham before the event, before the deposit issue was discussed.

When he left there were no stars in the federation because of Flair. Everyone on the roster was beaten by Flair & Flair left as champ. How were the wrestlers not supposed to be perceived as second tier wrestlers to Flair. The title only got prestige back when VAder won it because he hadn't been beaten by Flair.

I am certain that because of this incident and the affect it had on WCW's business, this is the reason Vince made sure Bret lost in Montreal.

As far as HHH's interviews insulting people, did you read Flair's book? It was a case of everyone sucks except HHH.

My point in all this is that HHH is just like Flair. The fact that Flair is worshipped while HHH is hated for doing the same things is very hypocritical.

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by monkeythe
Who did Flair ever put over when he had the power to (pre-Hogan WCW)? During his original WCW run, who won their final match against Flair? Sure he might have let a guy beat him occassionally (like HHH) but he made sure he had that belt back very quickly and he won those matches clean (except Rhodes who was probably a bigger egomaniac than Flair).

Part of the reason he was told to leave with the belt had to do with the fact that he refused to lose the title. He refused to lose the belt to Lugar at the GAB or Windham before the event, before the deposit issue was discussed.

When he left there were no stars in the federation because of Flair. Everyone on the roster was beaten by Flair & Flair left as champ. How were the wrestlers not supposed to be perceived as second tier wrestlers to Flair. The title only got prestige back when VAder won it because he hadn't been beaten by Flair.

I am certain that because of this incident and the affect it had on WCW's business, this is the reason Vince made sure Bret lost in Montreal.

As far as HHH's interviews insulting people, did you read Flair's book? It was a case of everyone sucks except HHH.

My point in all this is that HHH is just like Flair. The fact that Flair is worshipped while HHH is hated for doing the same things is very hypocritical.

Flair got guys over by cutting heel promos so over-the-top that everybody bought tickets/PPVs to see any face he was up against beat him and then he sold big time for that face.

Also Flair was never married to the booker`s daughter.

Flair may have been involved in backstage politics but never as bad as HHH, Hogan or Nash.

Flair probably never awarded himself all those title runs, I can`t believe that HHH has nothing to do with his.

He also had to step into the void left by Sid Vicious when he was sacked for the fight with Arn Anderson to main event with Vader at Starcade.

And he had to dig WCW out of the Black Scorpion shit.

Also remember that Jim Herd also tried to change Flair`s gimmick, one of the most over gimmicks ever, before he went to WWF, something which WCW regularly made a hash of later in the 90`s, so you can`t blame Flair for being pissed and taking the belt when he didn`t get his money.

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Lex Luger's a real piece of work eh?

Former WCW Champion Lex Luger is being held at Gwinnet County Jail in Lawrenceville, Georgia. This is due to him being arrested two weeks ago for what is called "contempt of court" stemming from Luger's failure to maintain child support payments to his ex-wife.

Luger is also on probation stemming from a DUI arrest this past January. He has been out of the ring in recent months stemming from a back injury suffered while training.

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Originally posted by Full Bug
Thanx for clearing that story up BT....Yeah, it was super cool when Flair showed up with the belt, that was a huge deal at the time....Remember how they fuzzed up the video of the belt on TV for awhile? Flair's performance in the one Royal Rumble was awesome, and Bobby Heenen's commentary was classic....

I seriously was addicted to the WWF at that time. LOL Hogan, Savage, Sid, Flair, Bret Hart, Michaels, Undertaker, Warrior and Piper!

That was a super roster! What happened?