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[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Not if you watched Nitro the last few years it was around....
The most interesting stuff is what was really going on backstage...
Hogan, Nash, Hall and Bishoff come off really bad, and you wouldnt believe the money WCW wasted on celebrities that never made them a dollar, like paying that idiot Master P 500,000 a year, dont even ask what they were paying Dennis Rodman....

Too bad Teddy Turner wasn't interested in starting up another group. With the right management (Heyman) and the deep pockets of Turner, Vince could actualy start giving a shit about the product again. Either way you look at it, the fans win.

I didn't order the TNA PPV, as Im just so sick of WWE cast offs. They were let go for a reason and should not be the focal point to a main event ppv. Jarrett is an idiot if he thinks that a PPV with all 8 matches with cages and ex-WWE stars is the way to make money. They should push ONLY: AJ Styles, Low Ki, Sabin, Abyss, Jeff Hardy, Monty, Killings, Elix Skipper, Lynn and Daniels. Everyone else that came from WWE or WcW should be special features only. I read that Dustin Runnels is being pushed again? That's just stupid. The money is in the future and the future wont happen for TNA if they dont promte it as such.

Thats why, if its working now or not, its just makes good sense to push and title Cena, Batista, Orton... Too bad they let Matt Hardy gfo though. I think that was a mistake. I hope Vince reconsiders.

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Ha! Should have guessed, sounds like something he would do....:D
Anyone pick up the Death Of WCW book? I'm almost finished it, great book, its amazing all the crap that went on there that I had forgotten about....

That book rules.

That and "Wrestlecrap" are two of the best books about wrestling ever.

I just watched a shoot interview with Vince Russo.

That guy just won`t take any blame whatsoever for what happened to WCW, although he will take all the credit for Rock, Foley, Austin and the late 90`s WWF success in general.

[Dutch]

I'd like to respond to the negative statements aimed here at Dusty Rhodes. I worked for Rhodes in his TCW promotion, and have a different perspective.

Despite what anyone has ever written about Rhodes -- either here or in book form -- the facts are clear. Simply put, he’s a bonafide legend.

I invite anyone who hasn’t watched the Ric Flair WWE DVD collection to do so, specifically the Rhodes program. There, in living color, is the proof. During the featured Rhodes vs. Flair match, Dusty could take a few steps or turn his head a certain way at the appropriate time and the crowd would go into a frenzy.

That’s psychology and storytelling, which in-ring work is all about. His knack for knowing when to move a match along from one act to the next, was impeccable. Regardless of his physique or anything else, Rhodes was a master of that. He didn’t need elaborate, high-flying maneuvers. He didn’t need to jack up on steroids. He didn’t need some multimedia push to get over with the fans. Dusty could do it at the drop of his cowboy hat. And with ease.

Look at the “bionic elbow.” It’s a ridiculous move. But because Rhodes knew how to build up the excitement in a match, it always mattered when he dropped one or several down.

On the same DVD, there are interviews leading up to the above-mentioned main event. Rhodes could wield a mic with the type of off-the-cuff skill seasoned stand-up comedians trade in. His verbal prowess had an air of authenticity that would reel the viewer in, amping up that suspension of disbelief.

And he was funny. Dusty worked his God-given lisp and funky delivery to the limit. He seemed to reach deep into a treasure trove and pluck out a neverending supply of golden one liners. There’s no doubt both Rhodes and Muhammad Ali were admirers of each other’s interview style.

He also wove in that common-man-made-good persona, which appeals to anyone with a pulse. “I’ve wined and dined with kings and queens, and I’ve sat in the alley eating pork ‘n’ beans” sums it up. “The son of a plumber” was the ultimate underdog made good.

I had the great joy of being tutored by the man. As a heel manager for his promotion, I blasted out promos with Rhodes basically directing the action as the cameraman rolled tape. It was a dream come true for me. The master was showing me the ropes, and gave me a solid seal of approval. Those were moments I’ll never forget.

Neither could I possibly erase from my memory the sight of Dusty sitting in the back after a match, his face drenched in a “crimson mask.” He sat there for at least 5 to 10 minutes carrying on a conversation with the boys before he bothered to wash off the blood.

That said, I must say I didn’t always agree with Dusty’s professional decisions, at least on the shows I worked on. I am by no means an expert in the business of pro wrestling. It’s a strange world that hardly ever makes perfect sense. But there are certain, basic ways you need to treat others in a business relationship, regardless of what it may be. In my humble opinion, Dusty didn’t always do the right thing on several levels.

Regardless of that, I respect him greatly for the work he has done in the ring and in front of the camera. I had the chance to work for a remarkable wrestler and one of the all-time greats. It was somewhat fleeting, but I recognize it’s an experience many would beg for. That’s because he was and always will be “The American Dream.”

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
I read that Dustin Runnels is being pushed again? That's just stupid.

Dusty Rhodes is booking, dont tell me you are surprised? Why anyone would pay him to book after his lousy history in that job is beyond me....Promoters just seem to make the same mistakes over and over again, every one of them should read the Death of WCW, its the perfect book of what NOT to do....

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Dusty Rhodes is booking, dont tell me you are surprised? Why anyone would pay him to book after his lousy history in that job is beyond me....Promoters just seem to make the same mistakes over and over again, every one of them should read the Death of WCW, its the perfect book of what NOT to do....

Oh Jesus Christ, are you serious? I thought this "booking by Dusty" in TNA was just for on camera purposes. He's actualy got a say in booking talent and match finishes? Fak that's retarded. No wonder the son of a son of a plumber is winning matches again. :D

I have no problem with Dusty or Dustin as wrestlers. I have no problem with Dusty being labeled a "legend" in this business. He made money and brought fans in. I enjoyed the Goldust gimmick, in fact i loved the last run he had with Booker T in WWE. But bottom line- Dustin no longer is a money maker, especially just as Dustin Runnels. And for Dusty to have any power whatsoever is fucking absolutely mental. Jarrets and Panda entertainment are pissing their money away. Good bookers? Dutch Mantell. Steve Keirn. Even Kevin Sullivan with someone over looking him would be better than Rhodes.

Well its no wonder all the old timers are in the main event. That's fucked.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Dutch
I'd like to respond to the negative statements aimed here at Dusty Rhodes. I worked for Rhodes in his TCW promotion, and have a different perspective.

Despite what anyone has ever written about Rhodes -- either here or in book form -- the facts are clear. Simply put, he’s a bonafide legend.

I invite anyone who hasn’t watched the Ric Flair WWE DVD collection to do so, specifically the Rhodes program. There, in living color, is the proof. During the featured Rhodes vs. Flair match, Dusty could take a few steps or turn his head a certain way at the appropriate time and the crowd would go into a frenzy.

That’s psychology and storytelling, which in-ring work is all about. His knack for knowing when to move a match along from one act to the next, was impeccable. Regardless of his physique or anything else, Rhodes was a master of that. He didn’t need elaborate, high-flying maneuvers. He didn’t need to jack up on steroids. He didn’t need some multimedia push to get over with the fans. Dusty could do it at the drop of his cowboy hat. And with ease.

Look at the “bionic elbow.” It’s a ridiculous move. But because Rhodes knew how to build up the excitement in a match, it always mattered when he dropped one or several down.

On the same DVD, there are interviews leading up to the above-mentioned main event. Rhodes could wield a mic with the type of off-the-cuff skill seasoned stand-up comedians trade in. His verbal prowess had an air of authenticity that would reel the viewer in, amping up that suspension of disbelief.

And he was funny. Dusty worked his God-given lisp and funky delivery to the limit. He seemed to reach deep into a treasure trove and pluck out a neverending supply of golden one liners. There’s no doubt both Rhodes and Muhammad Ali were admirers of each other’s interview style.

He also wove in that common-man-made-good persona, which appeals to anyone with a pulse. “I’ve wined and dined with kings and queens, and I’ve sat in the alley eating pork ‘n’ beans” sums it up. “The son of a plumber” was the ultimate underdog made good.

I had the great joy of being tutored by the man. As a heel manager for his promotion, I blasted out promos with Rhodes basically directing the action as the cameraman rolled tape. It was a dream come true for me. The master was showing me the ropes, and gave me a solid seal of approval. Those were moments I’ll never forget.

Neither could I possibly erase from my memory the sight of Dusty sitting in the back after a match, his face drenched in a “crimson mask.” He sat there for at least 5 to 10 minutes carrying on a conversation with the boys before he bothered to wash off the blood.

That said, I must say I didn’t always agree with Dusty’s professional decisions, at least on the shows I worked on. I am by no means an expert in the business of pro wrestling. It’s a strange world that hardly ever makes perfect sense. But there are certain, basic ways you need to treat others in a business relationship, regardless of what it may be. In my humble opinion, Dusty didn’t always do the right thing on several levels.

Regardless of that, I respect him greatly for the work he has done in the ring and in front of the camera. I had the chance to work for a remarkable wrestler and one of the all-time greats. It was somewhat fleeting, but I recognize it’s an experience many would beg for. That’s because he was and always will be “The American Dream.”

I was hoping you'd weigh in on this Dutch, and that is on hell of a well-written post.

Dutch knows a thing or two about building heat, as I've personally witnessed him engage a hostile crowd by throwing monopoly money at them.

Dusty has provided me with many a laugh over the years, a favorite was an eloquent description of how dinner with his "dear friend" Ms. Lena Horne was interrupted by a phone being brought to the table. It was "numba 2" on the other end, and he needed some help with those "Dirty Andersons"...LMFAO!

Rhodes is certainly no saint, and you'll be hard-pressed to find very many in that seedy business we all get a kick out of.

Nice to hear a first-hand opinion.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
Too bad Teddy Turner wasn't interested in starting up another group.

Hasn't there been some rumors about him considering it?

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by rustoffa
Hasn't there been some rumors about him considering it?

Yeah I think there was some rumblings about it, but it appears that none of the Time Warner networks would be interested in a 'rasslin' program. You know, Im also surprised Rupert Murdoch from Fox hasn't sunk his millions into a small start up promotion. A few top players and the rest indie workers like American Dragon, Spanky, Samoa Joe... So in other words, he could just buy RoH? :D

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
Yeah I think there was some rumblings about it, but it appears that none of the Time Warner networks would be interested in a 'rasslin' program. You know, Im also surprised Rupert Murdoch from Fox hasn't sunk his millions into a small start up promotion. A few top players and the rest indie workers like American Dragon, Spanky, Samoa Joe... So in other words, he could just buy RoH? :D

That's what we need....
Another Monday Night Money War!
:D

[Tom Vu]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Dusty Rhodes is booking, dont tell me you are surprised? Why anyone would pay him to book after his lousy history in that job is beyond me....Promoters just seem to make the same mistakes over and over again, every one of them should read the Death of WCW, its the perfect book of what NOT to do....

Dusty Rhodes is a buffoon and NOT A LEGEND. His legacy left to the pro wrestling will be the term a "Dusty finish." Which basically means a screw job. He is a clown who pushes his son and buddies despite the other young talent he has, like Flying Brian and Z-Man.

When Dusty had the book in WCW, he use to talk to guys before their match with Dustin and told them making Dustin look good was most important. Then these guys who barely sold for other wrestlers, use to fly around the ring like popcorn for Dustin.

Dusty and Dustin are clowns. They are circus people. Dusty will best be remebered for his fat physique, his fat valet Tweet Tweet Thappire, and his polka dots. While the fruit of Dusty's loins, Dustin will be remembered for his wig, make-up, and fat man's suit.

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
Oh Jesus Christ, are you serious? I thought this "booking by Dusty" in TNA was just for on camera purposes. He's actualy got a say in booking talent and match finishes? Fak that's retarded. No wonder the son of a son of a plumber is winning matches again. :D

I have no problem with Dusty or Dustin as wrestlers. I have no problem with Dusty being labeled a "legend" in this business. He made money and brought fans in. I enjoyed the Goldust gimmick, in fact i loved the last run he had with Booker T in WWE. But bottom line- Dustin no longer is a money maker, especially just as Dustin Runnels. And for Dusty to have any power whatsoever is fucking absolutely mental. Jarrets and Panda entertainment are pissing their money away. Good bookers? Dutch Mantell. Steve Keirn. Even Kevin Sullivan with someone over looking him would be better than Rhodes.

Well its no wonder all the old timers are in the main event. That's fucked.

TNA needs Paul Heymen, its not like he is doing anything anyway, although I'm not sure if he is still under contract with WWE....Kevin Sullivan? Not sure about that one, although there has been worse bookers, Kevin Nash and Russo come to mind....

[monkeythe]

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Originally posted by Full Bug
Here's another one....

1. One of the most tasteless angles in history was Vince McMahon's blatant exploitation of the Persian Gulf war in 1990 and 1991. It went so far that Sgt. Slaughter went on TV and burned the American flag. At WrestleMania 7, Hulk Hogan represented "America" and won the WWF title for all Americans... or so the story went. Whom did Sgt. Slaughter defeat to win the WWF title in the first place, and who helped him win it?

Warrior lost due to Savage hitting him with the scepter

2. The same-sex wedding between Billy & Chuck wasn't necessarily "wrong," but the angle's bait-and-switch attitude sure was. WWE is no strangers to weddings, though. What hefty WWF grappler had an on-air wedding on the first ever NBC Saturday Night's Main Event in 1985?

Uncle Elmer was married on the SECOND SNME

3. The angle detailing the love affair of Mark Henry and Mae Young was just plain WRONG! And what a silly ending too. What did Mae Young eventually give "birth" to live on Raw?

I was at the Garden the night Mae & Marc gave birth to a hand

4. The death of Bruiser Brody will go down as wrestling's most infamous murder. Who committed this heinous crime?

According to the law in Puerto Rico no one committed a heinous crime. However, Invader 1 Jose Gonzalez was charged with the crime

5. WWF got in some hot water when Steve Austin pointed a gun to Vince McMahon's head in 1998 and threatened to shoot, as the crowd roared in approval. What happened when Austin pulled the trigger?

A sign "Bang 3:16" came out of the gun & Vince wet himself

6. Lots of critics complained when WWF interviewed Brian Pillman's widow, Melanie, right after Brian died in his hotel room. They not only did the interview so soon after the death, but they hyped it regularly throughout the show. Name two guys Brian tag teamed with regularly throughout his career.

Z-Man & Austin

7. Perhaps one of the worst decisions Vince McMahon ever made was not canceling the PPV after Owen Hart died. In what city did the tragic Owen hart death occur?

KC

8. Larry Zbysko got some heat when someone he was feuding with suddenly passed away from a drug overdose. Larry went on Nitro thereafter and said that he had some comments on that person, but in respect for his family, he wouldn't say them. Some took it as Larry not dropping a feud for storyline reasons, which shouldn't have mattered because jeez, the guy just died. What WCW mid-carder was Larry feuding with at the time?

Louie Spicolli

9. Jim Ross's Bells Palsy disease was not only openly mocked in WCW, but also in WWF while Ross was still there. What immoral jack-ass played this role and mocked JR's disease?

Ed Ferrara aka Oklahoma

10. In 1995, America was deeply engulfed in the case and trial of OJ Simpson. What wrestler tastelessly went on WCW television with a black glove and threatened everyone that we all know what people in black gloves are capable of?

Hogan

Last week I got 9 of 10, this week I should have them all. I'm like that Stump the Shwab guy from ESPN when it comes to wrestling

[monkeythe]

About Dusty Rhodes, while certainly a legend in it, he is responsible for booking Crocket into oblivion and almost destroying WCW a decade before its' eventual demise. As Tully was quoted after the Bunkhouse PPV, why doesn't Dusty just book himself against himself. Just like Vince Russo, Dusty accepts no blame when it comes to the death of Crockett. In his book, he blames the accountants and lawyers and claims not to have invented the Dusty finish. By the way, the book sucks except for a few good road stories. It just tells stories in a random maner and he reeats himself too many times because of the lack of structure to the book. In addition, there is waste of major parts of the book detailing his dream card booking Starrcade Prime (showing a prime example of Crockett is out of business and why GAB 91 is the worst PPV of all time) & a chapter of fans saying how great Dusty is and how he affected their lives.

[Full Bug]

Dusty's book is likely the only wrestling book I have zero interest in reading, and I have read them all except the Hardy Boys book and Harley Race's (Havent found that one yet), I even read Hogans book only to see how many lies he tries to pull off, and he didnt dissappoint in that department....Worst book I ever read I think was Chyna's, damm that was bad....Best was Mankind's and Dynamite Kid's book...
I'm looking forward to reading Regal's upcoming book, I bet its got some great stories in there....

[Soul Reaper]

has anyone mentioned that Simon Dean idiot yet?

I only saw him once and I thought what a load of shit he was.

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Another problem I have with the WWE...

...the front row of the crowd trying to get 'involved'. It makes WWE look even more fake that it already is.

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Anyone like Jushin Liger?