WWE Thread

[Full Bug]

Check out this columm on whats wrong with WWE these days, its a good read....

http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=17610

[POJO_Risin]

"cue the breaking glass..."

Now that...would be interesting...

[rustoffa]

Yeah, the SCSA/Bischoff co-managerial era was some LOL shit. If Austin would lower his demands, he'd be on every monday night. Remember the old DX/Austin/Tyson deal? The shocking Tyson face-turn?

Book this Vince:

SCSA return/slow burn to WM.

DX/Bischoff square off...week-in, week-out, with SCSA stirring the pot.

Hall (could have been one of the best ever) shows up in support of Bischoff.

DX fumes...SCSA stirs the pot.

Angle shows up in support of DX, sporting a tiny cowboy hat.

Angle fumes, SCSA cuts a series of the funniest promos' in RAW history, and cuntinues to stir the pot.

Anyone care to see some heat-building storylines/matches between Scott Hall & Kurt Angle?

RAISE YOUR HAND

Get it together Vince. That seenario goes through early December. After the new year, pay some motherfuckers.

Make it count.

[Matt White]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Check out this columm on whats wrong with WWE these days, its a good read....
http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/....asp?aID=17610

Right on the money

[Mr Badguy]

That was a pretty good read.

You would think WWE/Vince would have learned from WCW`s mistakes: hotshot booking, stale guys on top burying the undercard, making himself main event talent, putting PPV sized matches on free TV with no promotion etc.

Shit, you`d think with Bischoff being there it would be a constant reminder.

Perhaps Vince being constantly on TV being "Mr McMahon" has taken his eye off the ball when it actually comes to RUNNING the company, which should surely be his day job.

I bet Bischoff is laughing his ass off watching WWE go down the tubes exactly the same way he fucked up WCW.

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by Mr Badguy
That was a pretty good read.

You would think WWE/Vince would have learned from WCW`s mistakes.

I bet Bischoff is laughing his ass off watching WWE go down the tubes exactly the same way he fucked up WCW.

You would think Vince wouldnt let it happen, it is HIS money, Bischoff just blew Ted's money, Vince is so out of touch with what fans want its unreal....

[Mr Badguy]

Originally posted by Full Bug
You would think Vince wouldnt let it happen, it is HIS money, Bischoff just blew Ted's money, Vince is so out of touch with what fans want its unreal....

Yeah, but at the time Bischoff didn`t know that it would bring down the company.

If Vince reads the history books he`ll see some worrying parallels.

This is all his own doing anyway, he bought up all the territories and has no competition, which means he`s got to create "superstars" rather than getting in a guy with a ready made gimmick who knew how to work from years on the road.

These new guys have to grow up "on screen" and they either don`t get the push straight away and lurk around jobbing, which makes them look like losers, or they get an instant push and the fans reject them because they haven`t "paid their dues".

Five hours original TV a week is too much.

Maybe the brand extension would work better if he based the different brands in different countries, like one in the US, one in Japn and one in Europe.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Mr Badguy
If Vince reads the history books he`ll see some worrying parallels.

This is all his own doing anyway, he bought up all the territories and has no competition, which means he`s got to create "superstars" rather than getting in a guy with a ready made gimmick who knew how to work from years on the road.

These new guys have to grow up "on screen" and they either don`t get the push straight away and lurk around jobbing, which makes them look like losers, or they get an instant push and the fans reject them because they haven`t "paid their dues".

Read and heed. Fucking nailed.

Sad thing is, Vince knows everything about the business. He could care less. Fucking Bischoff was nothing more than Tony Schiavoney(sp) with charm.

It's laughable.....kayfabeable.

Vince McMahon sent the worst of the worst to TNT (Turner.)

Ted Turner didn't understand wrasslin. He didn't understand the NWA for God's sake. Too bad for the NWA.

The NWA took another hit when Vince bankrolled ECW. Belt in the trashcan!

Get it together Foley. Sovereign Press is calling...put those magical years in every promotion worthwhile on shitty paper.

Extra credit?

Type about Hayabusa.

Make it count.

[Full Bug]

Some interesting comments from Kurt Angle this week....

There was an explosive more than 90 minute conference call with Kurt Angle today which was extremely newsworthy. Angle said all the things you'd expect him to say regarding TNA's future, and also praised Spike TV heavily. He said TNA had far better athletes and he had an unlimited supply of future opponents to have five-star matches with, whereas in WWE there were only a few. He continually portrayed himself as the best wrestler in the world, which some would take as arrogance, but you have to have confidence/arrogance to be on top in this business, and the guys who don't show it that are on top are also working in the other direction.

--He was very negative toward Vince McMahon. He said his doctor told him he needed to take three months off for rehab three years ago due to a painkiller problem but Vince refused to give him the time off, saying you're an Olympic gold medalist and suck it up. He categorized the time period as when he was working with John Cena and the people were turning him (which was a year ago actually). He said he went cold turkey and takes no pain pills, totally contradicting his statements when he was fired that he needed pain pills to wrestle and just to take out the garbage so he needs to take time off.

--He was strong in claiming he called the meeting with Vince and his goal was to be released. He didn't use the word work, but said he behaved erratic at the meeting and broke down and cried as a way to get released, although he said at the time he thought he was going to MMA and not TNA.

--He didn't say he got a $30 million five year offer from Pride, but said the word had gotten around to Vince that he did.

--He claimed his health was close to 100% and his agreement is that he will work when he can perform at 100% and when he can't he'll take time off. He couldn't have praised Dixie Carter more, saying any time he needs time off to heal he will get it, unlike in WWE.

--He claimed whenever he asked for time off from WWE, somebody would get hurt and he'd be pressed into service and never got the time off. He praised some people, notably Pat Patterson and Jerry Brisco for teaching him and Chris Benoit as his favorite opponent, but felt after Austin and Rock were gone that it was his turn to be the focal point of the company and couldn't understand why the son-in-law and Shawn Michaels were pushed ahead of him.

--Said he was rebuffed when he came up with merchandise ideas for himself, that somehow WWE either wouldn't market him or didn't feel he was marketable in that way.

--Said he was interested in MMA, but didn't really talk about any definite plans other than his contract gives him time off to train if he wants it. He said many companies have offered him "retirement money" for just one fight. He did say he was offered a New Year's Eve match with Brock Lesnar by K-1 and didn't say he wasn't doing it, but you could tell he wasn't because he said he needed six months of training before fighting.

--He praised Dana White, but said he reminded him of Vince McMahon in that White only wanted him to do one fight, but sign an exclusive deal and work with the company as a goodwill ambassador. He didn't even want to say the name of his opponent, and actually cut a tremendous pro wrestling promo on the guy, and recounted the Tough Enough situation. He claimed he was 208, with a broken neck and no feeling in his hands when the deal happened and Puder got him in a hammerlock, but ripped on Puder, saying he wasn't a good athlete and that today he's at full strength and would demolish him in 40 seconds. He said White told him because of the back story it would be the biggest buy rate in UFC history if they had that match, and Angle agreed, but said it would all be due to him. He seemed to genuinely be pissed off about Puder's T-shirts and all the pub he got, basically claiming he's tried to make himself a name at his expense. He did say if it came up in TNA to do an angle with Puder he would, but said he can't wrestle at the level of the TNA guys.

--He made it clear he hated being in ECW, that he had nobody to work with (although he praised RVD a lot and said he felt RVD should be champion and should have been champ a long time ago, and also praised Sabu). He said he didn't fit in with the chairs and barbed wire. He also claimed he was an agent in ECW but when he was giving pointers on working to guys with more experience, they resented him for it and complained about it.

--Said he plans on working for Dixie Carter for the next 30 years, whether it be p.r., writing, or being an agent after his wrestling days are over.

--Put over Samoa Joe big, and said he loved his new ring entrance music and entrance that will be on the PPV

--In total denial regarding a question that the type of neck surgery he had may not have been the right decision. He said Dr. Jho saved his career and that the fusion surgery that so many (Edge, Benoit, Lita, Bob Holly, Steve Austin, Rhino, etc.) had was prehistorical and all are suffering neck problems because of it. Said he told Vince for people to do it in the future with Dr. Jho, but that because he got hurt again, nobody has and they don't belive it.

--Said he had not taken a painkiller in three years. Quit cold turkey while on the road, even though his doctor told him it was impossible, because Vince said he couldn't give him three months off for rehab

--"I'm 100% healthy. There are no issues."

--Was very positive regarding fans who were concerned and felt he shouldn't wrestle, but said his brain says he can go, his heart says he can go, and doctors and God have told him he can go and there is no reason not to wrestle.

--Said when he got to the meeting with Vince, he was attacked (verbally) and he was the one who asked for the release, and Vince asked him if they could say it was a mutual deal to save face. He had never spoken to anyone from TNA until after the meeting where he was released (I believe that, but he also would have to say it due to tampering laws even if not true)

--"I did what I had to do," basically intimating he worked Vince into the release with his behavior. That is not the first time he's said that, as he was saying it a week after it happened.

--When it was brought up that Dana White said he didn't want an actor, he said White offered him a ton of money and he thought he was going to go there but the exclusive nature of the contract bothered him as he didn't want to be owned. White didn't want him doing both, but very much wanted him in UFC. I think there should be no misunderstanding there.

--Blamed Eddy Guerrero's death as being due to exhaustion and not applicable to him. Also said Eddy Guerrero was clean and his death wasn't drug related saying he died an honorable death. When asked about the angles exploiting Guerrero's death, he didn't really give an answer, saying Vince is supporting the family but also felt Vince should have given all the money made from Guerrero merchandise directly to the family and guaranteed that wasn't the case.

--Said he didn't expect to work for WWE again, and then said "Never say never," but then you could tell his wife was listening and said something to him. He then intimated his wife was a better judge of character than he was, and she told him that he should never work for Vince McMahon again.

--Ripped on kissing ass segments and live sex deal and said TNA was going to have two hour TV shows that would give 30 minutes to the main event. Then later said TNA has the best wrestling writer in the world in Vince Russo and the best wrestler in the world in him.

--He said before he left that he asked to be put back on Raw or Smackdown, was told by Vince he was the faced of ECW but then said that was a lie as he wasn't the face of ECW. Asked why the best wrestler in the company wasn't booked on SummerSlam (he actually was booked, but pulled off the show because the company was concerned about him)

--Would not say HHH was a cancer, but said he shouldn't be writing and wrestling. Said HHH would never put guys over who were a threat to his spot. Said he'd put Benoit over because Benoit could never be the top guy because of charisma, and would put Cena over because Cena had great charisma but couldn't be te best wrestler. HHH wouldn't put Angle over because he had both. Said he respected him as a performer but not as a person.

[Mr Badguy]

Wow, it really looks like Angle has a big problem with Vince/HHH/WWE.

I wouldn`t say that he`d never be welcome back there but he`ll never get put over the way he did before if he did go back (which looks unlikely if he`s pussy-whipped).

[Full Bug]

Some of the things Angle says dont add up, and it sounds to me like he is still in self denial about his health problems....Not a good sign....

[Mr Badguy]

He also needs his head checked if he thinks Vince Russo is "the best writer in the business".

[monkeythe]

Sadly, another wrestler has passed away way too soon.

R.I.P. Corporal Kirchner

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by monkeythe
Sadly, another wrestler has passed away way too soon.

R.I.P. Corporal Kirchner

Kirchner death a hoax

Cpl. Kirchner speaks: "I'm not dead!"


It's been a weird couple of days for the family of Corporal Kirchner. WWE.com reported his death on Thursday, which then circulated widely through the world. But Mike Kirchner is still around. "I'm still alive and well, and thanks for everybody's concern. I'm doing well, and I'm happy and life is good."

Kirchner was on the road when he was contacted by SLAM! Wrestling. He drives a truck now, and gets to see the world in a different way.

"I drive a big rig for a company called TMC. It's cool. It's great. I do cross-country driving now. I go all over. I've been all over the world, and it's just traveling that has been my life," he said. "You know it's great because you get to see the things that you missed from the arenas. You drive by the arenas that you used to work in, but you get to see everything else along it -- the scenery, the states, the mountains. It's 'where do I want to go this week?' and I drive where I want to go and that's where I head to, provided there's a load there. It's always interesting. I just came out of Arizona this week."

When he heard about his "death", he was actually in Connecticut, the home state of WWE. He was tempted to drive to WWE headquarters in Stamford, and say, "Guess what guys? I'm still around."

His mother, Jean Kirchner, has been suffering the most. "I have no idea where it originated or anything," she told SLAM! Wrestling. "All I know is I've been getting calls from relatives saying, 'How is Mike? Is he alright? Are you okay?' I said, 'Why?' 'Well, according to this article on the WWE website, he's dead.' It's a man named Thomas Spear, who I think might have been Leatherface in Japan, hence the confusion."

From the research SLAM! Wrestling has done, there is almost no connection with Thomas Spear to the wrestling business, and certainly not to WWE.


The Thomas Spear who died at his home in White Marsh, Md. on Sunday is a mystery to the Corporal. - "Even back in the day, I'm thinking, 'Tom Spear, Tom Spear.' I don't recall the name Tom Spear. Them publishing my death is beyond me because I had calls from my family that notified me, asking me about it. I have no idea where this came from. This was a shocker to me. I haven't even been sick lately. It's pretty bizarre seeing your own eulogy sometimes, or hearing about. People called me all day yesterday. 'Are you alright?' I'd say, 'If I wasn't, then how could I answer the phone? What, I'm going to resurrect for you? Yeah, I'm dead but for you, I'll answer the phone.' It's pretty about that. I don't know where the story even came from."

His frequent WWF opponent Nikolai Volkoff was equally mystified. For one thing, Volkoff lives nearby where Spear died. Volkoff said a friend called after seeing the notice in the Baltimore Sun. "He said, 'You know Corporal Kirchner died?' I said, 'No.' I said, 'Last thing I heard, he lived in Florida, not here in Baltimore.' He said, 'No, this guy lived here in White Marsh.'"

Jean Kirchner, who wrote a fictional account of her son's career entitled, Wrestle This ... Corporal Punishment under the name Genevieve O'Callaghan, called WWE to correct the mistake. "I called them [Friday], and I said, 'I'm his mother, and I'm here to tell you he's not dead.'" The WWE's reaction? "They took it off the website yesterday." No correction is up on the WWE website, nor has any attempt been made to retract the story and undo the damage, she said.

For a man who apparently died last Sunday, Mike Kirchner is pretty jovial about it all. "Thanks for keeping me around. It's nice being popular again. It's amazing what being dead does for you. I thought my career was dead."

[monkeythe]

Damn you WWE.com. At least they had his WM2 match against Nikolai Volkoff available on the site.