OZZY: "I'm Sorry"

[katie]

Originally posted by bueno bob
Musically, Sabbath was superior with Dio at the helm. Ronnie knew how to bring out the very best in Iommi and Butler, and he helped evolve their sound to the next reasonable stage...had Ozzy stayed on past 1979, 1980 would have resulted in "Never Say Die Vol. 2: The Revenge", and I think that's something that EVERY Sabbath fan could have passed on easily.

I give the credit to Martin Birch the producer of H&H and M/Rules.
As Sabbath produced Never Say Die themselves so only had themselves to blame. With Martin at the helm this would not happen again.

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by katie
I give the credit to Martin Birch the producer of H&H and M/Rules.
As Sabbath produced Never Say Die themselves so only had themselves to blame. With Martin at the helm this would not happen again.

Exactly!

I've wondered why they haven't worked with him in the time since then...they've certainly made worse choices (Robin Black, Ernie C, etc)....

If Sabbath does actually do another album together (and who knows? 2005 would be the year to do it, marking the 35th anneversary of 'Black Sabbath'), Martin would be the guy to look at, I think.

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by Panamark
I still say Blizzard and Diary crap all over the DIO/Sabbath albums.

I would go further and sat that Blizzard and Diary crap all over ALL the Sabbath albums.

Completely different league.

[katie]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
I would go further and sat that Blizzard and Diary crap all over ALL the Sabbath albums.

Completely different league.

Completely different band

Completely different decade

Completely different management

[katie]

Originally posted by bueno bob
Exactly!

I've wondered why they haven't worked with him in the time since then...they've certainly made worse choices (Robin Black, Ernie C, etc)....

If Sabbath does actually do another album together (and who knows? 2005 would be the year to do it, marking the 35th anneversary of 'Black Sabbath'), Martin would be the guy to look at, I think.

Can't see Sharon allowing this to happen as Martin Birch has that Dio connection.

And i think Ozzy *may* want to go for a 21st century (ahem) cutting edge (think kerrang bands) producer.

Good train of thought though Bob.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by katie

As Sabbath produced Never Say Die themselves so only had themselves to blame. With Martin at the helm this would not happen again.

'Juniors Eyes' is a grate song.

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by rustoffa
'Juniors Eyes' is a grate song.

Never Say Die isn't particularly recognizable as Sabbath short of Ozzy and Tony, but it's still solid as far as songwriting's concerned. Juniors Eyes, A Hard Road, Shock Wave, Over to You, Swinging the Chain...all of them are repeatedly listenable, even if they're not Sabbath Bloody Sabbath or Symptom of the Universe.

Frankly, I thought Never Say Die was actually better than Technical Ecstasy.

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
I would go further and sat that Blizzard and Diary crap all over ALL the Sabbath albums.

Completely different league.

I could send Tony Iommi to your house to destroy you with extreme prejudice.

[Panamark]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
I would go further and sat that Blizzard and Diary crap all over ALL the Sabbath albums.

Completely different league.

Yes, I often have this argument with myself.
But there are seriously some Original Sabbath songs that are
masterful. Ok, you dont have the slick work of RR, but theres
still the chill factor.. Backstreet Kids ! How could you not
Rock out to that or Sabbath Bloody Sabbath ???
Raw but awesome in its own way..

But I have played Diary and Blizzard more times than
any Sabbath album, I have to admit..

[tomballin]

Fuck Sabbath and Fuck Tony

Just give us our Live & Loud Reunion Tour

and we will all let Randy (Castillo) (RIP) know that the Ozz and his fans can still put on a rocking, "we're all goin to hell" party!

[tomballin]

Holy shite, I hope she filled out an organ donor card on those puppies, BB!

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by tomballin
Holy shite, I hope she filled out an organ donor card on those puppies, BB!

She's going to donate them to me - I'm planning on having them stuffed and propped up facing the ceiling on my bed...now, I also plan on keeping a bottle of oil around so that, well...never mind

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by tomballin
Fuck Sabbath and Fuck Tony

Just give us our Live & Loud Reunion Tour

and we will all let Randy (Castillo) (RIP) know that the Ozz and his fans can still put on a rocking, "we're all goin to hell" party!

The thing about Ozzy live is that he can't really carry it anymore, I think Reunion was kinda proof of that, each year his live presence deteriorates a bit more...Live and Loud won't be coming back, I fear...

Personally, my Ozzy tour of choice would be the No Rest for the Wicked era - I felt No More Tears was a weak album and too radio friendly of a production, but No Rest for the Wicked, on the flip side, was the last dose of the unleashed Black Ozz, unrestrained and in all it's glory...the best of his solo material was presented along with the traditional Sabbath cuts, no filler...

Just my opinion.

[tomballin]

Originally posted by bueno bob
She's going to donate them to me - I'm planning on having them stuffed and propped up facing the ceiling on my bed...now, I also plan on keeping a bottle of oil around so that, well...never mind

baawaa! Ya know, I have always been an ass man, but for that, I could change in my old age,

I MEAN,,,,,I COULD REALLYYYYYYY CHANGE!

Shite, never thought I would wish I was a tree, she is standing up against, LOL.