Yngwie Malmsteen Hires New Vocalist

**Terry** · 03-02-2008, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by bueno bob
I agree with that. Van Halen was a magic band, for sure...Yngwie was a solo showcase that happened to have some other great talent in it (Jens Johansson, Jeff Scott Soto, Joe Lynn Turner, Mats Olausson, Mark Boals, et al)...overwhelmingly though, had it been a different guitarist and any combination of keyboardist/bassist/vocalist/drummerist ( ), I wouldn't have bought it because I doubt seriously it would have kept me interested for very long.

Malmsteen has always been THE focal point of Rising Force, but that's just one guy...in a very real sense, Malmsteen IS Rising Force, period...

On the other hand, Van Halen was a BAND, and as such, all were equal in my eyes...Eddie on guitar was a fucking miracle, David was THE rock and roll frontman that Ozzy only hinted at in Sabbath's heyday, Alex and Mike were just as visible to me and equally as important to the band's chemistry.

Now I've said it time and again, and here's one more - change ANY element of Van Halen and it's not Van Halen, period.

By contrast?

Change ANY element of Rising Force, and so long as it's not the Yngwie Malmsteen element, you're still good.

I guess the bottom line is this: Van Halen had (realistically) very few lineup changes over the years, but each and every one since 1985 has hurt them DRAMATICALLY...because of the fact that it's a band chemistry...Yngwie has changed band members every year or so since 1984 and it hasn't harmed him a bit, because it's a showcase for him, nothing else...

Apples and oranges and there ya go.

Well, the thing with Yngwie is that I can't escape the feeling that his band and the songs are secondary to him; in other words, everything else serves as a vehicle for his guitar playing. And his guitar playing on a technical level is phenominal...

But with CVH, for me the best moments where when the best of what everyone had to offer served the collective objective of killer tunes. A great guitar solo can be a component of a killer tune, but isn't in and of itself a killer tune.

**cadaverdog** · 03-07-2008, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by Broncos Garage
If Malmsteen was really so great, he would've moved amounts of product similar to that of Van Halen, but it's pretty obvious that he hasn't set any sales records. Don't get me wrong, great player, just not appealing to a wide spectrum is all.

I agree his music is a "required taste".
But why?
His music has gotten minimul or no airplay.
Has he even acheived top tier status?
Is he a headliner?
Maybe on the club circuit .
He couldn't even headline on the fair circuit.
No name recognition.
Twenty years ago , I was in my mid to late twenties and this
seventeen year old wanna be hippy wanted to compare Yngwie
to Jimmy Page.
No comparison Jimmy Page is a guitar god.
Yngwie even know is an almost was.

**DrMaddVibe** · 03-07-2008, 08:33 PM

I'll say this about Malmsteen, he would NEVER stoop to the lowest levels that Eddie Van Halen has.

There's Hendrix, there's Jimmy Page and to me then there's Yngwie Malmsteen. Just because you don't know who he is doesn't make him any less important to everyone.

People used the same argument with Jaco Pastorius. He's the bass version of Jimi Hendrix. How many times have you heard him on the radio? Then there's our own Toastmaster General! How many times did he release something only to have it ignored by radio and the press. It was 100x better than what the cheese lovers where eating up and THAT got the airtime! Who has it right and who has it wrong?

Malmsteen is an artist that pushes himself creatively. He's not bowing to what playing directors want. He's too busy making music. That's what I want from musicians. An occasional tour is nice, but its the material that they dish out that sparks me. I want to know what ride I'm going to go one when I listen to them. Jimi was moving towards Jazz before he died. Page has kept my interest with Coverdale, Crowes, The Firm and his own solo work. Malmsteen looks like he wants to go in a different direction. Pairing with Ripper ought to give him just that. As far as Eddie...where's he going? Oh yeah, BACK to rehab. AGAIN!

Cadavardog, I'd seriously try to find Malmsteen w/ Dio doing a version of "Dream On" and listen to what he does to that song. He makes Joe Perry look like he was playing in wet cement. Branch out and listen to these people you don't know. If someone wants to compare themselves to Jimmy Page...you owe it to yourself to google that name and listen to it for yourself!

**DrMaddVibe** · 03-07-2008, 09:01 PM

**cadaverdog** · 03-08-2008, 12:01 AM

My comment about him being an almost was has nothing to do
with his talent.
It's about name recognition.
And the average Joe never heard of Yngwie .
Or Alcatraz .
Would anyone Know who Steve Vai is if he hadn't worked with
Dave?
I know he went on to work with Whitesnake but working with
Dave and being compared to Ed put his name out to the general public.
One of my favorite guitarists is Gary Hoey .
I think he is the best I've ever heard but he is not top tier either.
I'm not sure he wants to be.

**cadaverdog** · 03-08-2008, 12:38 AM

Ok
Listened to your three samples .
W/ Steeler That not music thats noise .
Fast and accurate but noise.
W/Alcatraz Competent cover , always dug that song.
I've seen Rainbow live but unfortunatly with Joe Lynn Turner
on vocals.
Can't happen here was good otherwise he's no Dio or Bonnet.
Second time I saw Rainbow they took offense that the crowd
had not given up on another encore from UFO.
Rainbow played one song and left.
They had to bring back the opening band Duke Jupiter.
As far as the "Dream On" cover Dio was awesome.
But I can't say better to the guitar but A different take
on the song.
Are you a guitarist , yourself?
If so maybe you appreciate his speed and accuracy.
He has that.
But give me Pages solo that comes after the bow work
on "Dazed and Confused".
On the dvd his fingers are moving so fast they are faster
than the eye can comprehend.

**Terry** · 03-09-2008, 05:44 PM

Malmsteen made just as many attempts to put out radio friendly music and get a hit as anyone elseone might care to mention, most of said attempts happening early on in his career, but I'll agree that he certainly hasn't stumbled as much as EVH has on a personal level - certainly not to the point where it was detrimental to his own skills as a guitarist.

**bueno bob** · 03-10-2008, 01:07 AM

Well, doctors told him he'd never play guitar again after he wrapped his Ferarri around a tree in '87...in '88, Odyssey came out and while easily his most radio friendly effort, playing-wise he didn't suffer any...

It's a matter of personal drive and ambition, really. As far as booze and drugs, Yngwie did his fair share, too...

Hey, I beat alcohol, I beat cigarettes...I don't buy into that "It's a disease" bullshit, either...all of that's too new agey for me and takes the responsibility off of yourself, which is where I feel it truly belongs. I didn't believe it when they told me years ago and I still don't know. It's a matter of having fortitude physically and mentally to stand up and say "I'm not doing this bullshit ANYMORE" and meaning it. And that's just a matter of personal determination and willpower.

If I can do it, anybody can do it. I'm three years without a cigarette and eight years without a drink. I don't miss either and I never have one moment where I go "Oh man, I shouldn't have quit!"...

Well, OK, off of my soapbox... :D

**cadaverdog** · 03-10-2008, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by bueno bob
Well, doctors told him he'd never play guitar again after he wrapped his Ferarri around a tree in '87...in '88, Odyssey came out and while easily his most radio friendly effort, playing-wise he didn't suffer any...

It's a matter of personal drive and ambition, really. As far as booze and drugs, Yngwie did his fair share, too...

Hey, I beat alcohol, I beat cigarettes...I don't buy into that "It's a disease" bullshit, either...all of that's too new agey for me and takes the responsibility off of yourself, which is where I feel it truly belongs. I didn't believe it when they told me years ago and I still don't know. It's a matter of having fortitude physically and mentally to stand up and say "I'm not doing this bullshit ANYMORE" and meaning it. And that's just a matter of personal determination and willpower.

If I can do it, anybody can do it. I'm three years without a cigarette and eight years without a drink. I don't miss either and I never have one moment where I go "Oh man, I shouldn't have quit!"...

Well, OK, off of my soapbox... :D

I agree yet disagree.
Personaly the closest thing I ever had to an addiction was to
soda pop.
When I woke up I felt like shit until I guzzed my first soda.
Would quit cold turkey , then compromise .
Only drink soda with meals.
Next thing I was sucking them down like they were going out
of style.
Got that under control , only water , an occasional cocktail ,
or iced tea w/a small amount of sugar.
But I have a friend who I beieve suffers from an"addictive
personality".
No matter what he tries he goes overboard .
Cigarettes , booze , weed , coke , speed and eventually
heroin.
Anything he did , he got hooked.
Last I heard he was in prison partly for identity theft for
stealing checks or something to sustain his habit.
He used to have a good job , wife , kids , new car ,house.
Now , nothing , not even friends.
His family wants nothing to do with him.
His dad died young .
Chain smoked , and was alcoholic.
When I last saw him (I've known him 20 years) I 'd swear he
had become his dad.
I don't know if you could call it a disease , but he is either
emulating his dad , or inherited some gene .

Yngwie Malmsteen Hires New Vocalist

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