Pink Floyd - Another Sign Of The End Times

[Etienne]

Ok. I can play a couple Led Zeppelin songs. To get it to sound like Page you have to purposely play sloppy or it will sound too in time and polished. You actually have to fuck it up a bit to get the Page vibe.

The same on drums if you want to groove like Bonham. Like I said it before you can't delink Bonham, Page and Jones.

[Nitro Express]

Reading accounts of what Grant, Cole, Bindon and Bonham would do on the road, it's strange to me how these characters are lauded by some. The behavior at times was just really atrocious. Seems to illustrate the idea that many within the entertainment industry aren't fully developed as human beings, and the success they achieve and the money they earn acts as an enabler toward all types of childish whims and indulgences. Some might say how great it would have been to party with Zeppelin. For me, watching a bunch of goons sexually abuse women with mudsharks, get wasted on smack and administer Clockwork Orange-style beatings ain't my idea of a good time. I don't think I'm particularly conservative in my tastes: I like a good fuck and a bit of booze as much as anyone else, but sadistic barbarism just isn't that appealing to me.

I went to Jorma Kukkonen's fur peace ranch for some guitar and bass seminars and both him and Jack Casady knew Bill Graham very well. They said Bill Graham could be tough but they said his experiences in Germany during the Nazi times made him compassionate of people who really didn't fit into society. They said in many ways he was an older straight guy but he always had compassion for the younger kids and people left of center because of the lack of passion he saw in Nazi Germany.

For Graham to compare Led Zeppelin to the Nazi thugs in Germany is one hell of a statement. Graham said the thuggery he saw with them brought back the memories he had erased from his childhood in Germany. That's saying something. Can you imagine being bottled up on Led Zeppelin's plane when someone decided to go off? I don't think any decent person would want to be around that too long or be managed by such scum.

[Nitro Express]

Face it. Classic rock is nothing more than recooked blues. Everyone knows it. Zeppelin would have lost nothing just by being honest and saying they redid the songs but you don't get any publishing money for it. They were about the money. A scam.

[Kristy]

Nevermind

[chefcraig]

Seems not much was ever written on the subject except for a few rumor mill accounts that Bonham before joining Zeppelin and Grant knew each growing up and that both were basically Birmingham street thugs. Grant had a reputation of being somewhat of a bully loanshark and his ruthless tactics was the main reason Page hired him to be their manager making sure the band was well paid. Grant was also known to be just as brutal when dealing with Bad Company groupies as well.

Check this out, as quite frankly, I find it to be mind-boggling astonishing: Page was the last "new" guy to join the Yardbirds, OK? Jeff Beck quits/gets fired (depending upon whose story you believe), then Page recruits Grant out of seemingly nowhere to manage the band. When the whole thing went into the shitter a few months later, not only does Page end up with a substantial amount of the group's publishing (for songs he never played on, let alone wrote) but also just happened to walk away owning the band's NAME. Now how in hell did that happen? Simple: Grant was unquestionably a thug. The fact that he knowingly parodied this on film in the tasteless ode to excess The Song Remains The Same is even more disgusting, and highly indicative of the "We can get away with anything" mindset of the band, which ultimately destroyed them.

Karma is a bitch, ya know?

[Kristy]

Actually, I was just reading about Grant: the guy was a failed actor (though he was in a few movies) and a wrestler. His thuggery reputation came from his days of being a bouncer. As for Bindon who Grant used a scapegoat for the Oakland incident he later ended up going to jail on murder charges. What a lovely bunch of guys. Zeppelin, it seemed in their 70's heyday was nothing more than a traveling criminal circus roadshow.

[lesfunk]

Travelling Mayhem..... Now That's Entertainment!

[Diamondjimi]

Kristy, what is your favourite rock band? Really, I want to know.

THIS is her god....

[Kristy]

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[binnie]

Whether you think Zep were good or bad, denying their influence on music subsequently is obtuse.

If you're going to spend you're time hating stuff , why not pick a band which really, really sucks. Like Bon Jovi.

[Little Texan]

Whether you think Zep were good or bad, denying their influence on music subsequently is obtuse.

If you're going to spend you're time hating stuff , why not pick a band which really, really sucks. Like Bon Jovi.

Or Chickenshit.

[VHscraps]

THIS is her god....

WTF ... Paul Stanley is looking mighty fine these days. He's smudged his lipstick a bit, but the old melted face thing seems to be settling into something close to human-looking ...

[ashstralia]

you've got to be crazy; got to have a real need...

[Kristy]

If you're going to spend you're time hating stuff , why not pick a band which really, really sucks. Like Bon Jovi.

Unlike Jimmy and his entourage of criminal miscreants Bon Jovi were the 80's hair band prototype. In others words, they may have sucked but at least they did something original.

[clarathecarrot]

I want to kill the juke box at any time in any bar if someone plays Floyd..I usually yell, no floyd!

It is a sitting around music not a drinkie time play.