Ted Nugent

[moose]

BT, BT, BT, before I start sounding like you, a broken record, you still did not answer my ? which was "what do you do to help our natural resources and wildlife?"
When you comment on one of my posts read it before you make yourself look like an ass " moose fighting off black flies on a Saturday night in -40 degree weather" where did you get that from?
I thought that you of all people would be more intelligent and actually read into and between the lines but I guess I was wrong.
When I said to stop eating meat, wearing leather..........I was saying that we as a human race slaughter everything in site. Nothing is left sacred and for you to critisize me or any other person for killin an animal which we consume was wrong. Just look at yourself I don't agree with going fishing just to catch a fish take a picture and throw it back into the water. If that isn't THRILL seeking than what is? I fish myself but only for walleye and nothing else, why cause I eat what I catch the same goes for when I hunt, if I DON'T EAT IT I DON'T SHOOT IT.
My weapon is a gun/bow yours is a fishing rod/ with all the gadgets, which I assume also includes a boat with a 2 stroke 9.9hp(?) which may I add pollute our water systems to no end I know I had one and bought a four stroke because of that reason alone.



So in essence BT you yourself along with the other fisherman who practice catch and release kill fish for the thrill of it yet you don't admit that what you do is wrong.
According to a few, we as hunters should go to the grocery store to buy meat which is readily available, the same can be said for you as a fisherman go to Sobey's and buy your fish.
But you know what BT it's not the same, you know it as well as I do.



As stated earlier, only 1% of the hunting community are SLOBS, so we wear an orange vest to protect ourselves from them slobs, why do you wear a safety jacket when on a boat?
Is it because it's law? or is it as a net in case anything serious happens, you know hit a submersed rock, turn to quick and flip your boat, or maybe you guys drank just a bit to much and lost control?
You get your slobs in both ends of the spectrum but yet we HUNTERS are terrible people.
I've been eating wild game for 30+ yrs and I'm not gonna stop, my entire family eats wild game and they just luv it.
Which by the way BT you're diet is terrible, look at all the shit your putting into your body, heart valve clogging agents, cholesterol laden JUNK food..........way to go I'd rather know you as Big Troubles as opposed to Big Turd.
Anyhow if ya want to go on with this I'm ready if not i'll see ya at the show.
Cheers.
Moose

[lms2]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
Come to Canada and watch the Natives net an entire lake wanting Pickeral, getting all they can and leave the Pike and Perch on the shores to die. Thats apparently their way of life too. Sad part is, what they do is legal.

Aye, Aye, Big Troubles. This is why I avoided this thread. I have no opinion on Nugent's music. I can take it or leave it.

Again, I am not a hunter, nor am I married to one. I understand that there are low life bastards that hunt deer from moving vehicles, during off season, and leave the carcass to rot where it falls. I was not aware of the native fishing practices in Canada, but am aware that the commercial fishing industry is not much better.

When I made the comment about hunters respecting life, I was not necessarily refering to the animal they just killed. I was refering more to the whole life cycle. The animal and the ecosystem in which it survives.

I am the original fence sitter. Bless you one and all, and I hope you are able to resolve your differences.

[Big Troubles]

LOL wow, it got really fucking interesting didn't? In a Ted Nugent thread, we accuse, back and forth of passing judgment on different points of view, whether anyone of us really has the authority to do it any kind of real justice. We have all agreed that killing animals DOES have a certain level of purpose. Great. But Moose, I will now go into the area of defending my opinion of "catch and release" fish practices, that you seem to infer some sort of "torture" for the fish, and without natural merit. Moose. Look at your screen. Can you see me? No. That my friend is the approximate size of a fish's brain. Something tells me they don't understand fear the exact same way, say a Deer does. I really dont want to play this game. You have your views, to which I partially agree with. I have mine, to which I don't give a flying fuck who agrees with. Such is life.

lms2 commercial fishermen are Governed on two different levels. National and International. More eyes on the project means more of an efficient way of supplying a larger mass of people across the Globe with all kinds of seafood. Not one "tribe" with wasting 90% of the capture. C'mon join in the zaniness of this mostly pro- Nugent thread and tell us your fish story.

[HELLVIS]

We are a gluttonous bunch here in the free world, thanks to the millions and millions of animals who spend their entire short and perpetually tortured lives in our "out of plain site" mass meat murder concentration camps.
We are a spoiled bunch. A fat bunch. A lazy bunch.

A lot would change if we were forced to hunt, kill, clean, and prepare our own food. Oh, and a shit load less animals would have to die.

Remember, the meat we buy at the market is full of steroids, spent life covered in it's own piss and shit, and much of it is forced into cannibalism, (which, by the way has been linked to a host of debilitating and deadly diseases).

We must eat meat, and free range is the only way to go.

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by HELLVIS
We are a gluttonous bunch here in the free world, thanks to the millions and millions of animals who spend their entire short and perpetually tortured lives in our "out of plain site" mass meat murder concentration camps.
We are a spoiled bunch. A fat bunch. A lazy bunch.

A lot would change if we were forced to hunt, kill, clean, and prepare our own food. Oh, and a shit load less animals would have to die.

Remember, the meat we buy at the market is full of steroids, spent life covered in it's own piss and shit, and much of it is forced into cannibalism, (which, by the way has been linked to a host of debilitating and deadly diseases).

We must eat meat, and free range is the only way to go.

weird thing is, my favorite Ted Nugent song is Dog Eat Dog.

[lms2]

Dog eat Dog... yep thats this world to a T.

You want my fish story, you got it. I like to fish. I think that fish can think. Of course, here in Kansas, I fish for catfish. Just like a cat, a catfish likes to play with the bait. They nibble, nibble gnaw. Sometimes they get your worm off without ever even taking a big bite. Sometimes they bite. Then they head for the weeds, rocks, anything on the bottom of the pond to tangle your line and piss you off. Catch and release. I hate eating fish. I love fishing because it is relaxing. I connect with nature and with god. Its also something I used to do with my dad who died when I was ten. Sometimes, I don't even bait my hook. Just sit out by the water and speculate. Could I just sit and speculate without casting my pole into the water> Sometimes I do that too.

You can fish for trout, the Fish and Game Commmission stocks the ponds several times in late fall and winter. Anything not caught does not survive the summer. The fish die because the water gets too warm.

Here in Kansas, we have carp. Thats our "junk" or "trash" fish, and man are those suckers fun to catch. THEY FIGHT. Some assholes get mad when catch these fish and throw them out on the bank to die.

We also have turtles in our ponds. Some of them suckers are huge. They will eat your fish if you leave them on a stringer in the water. I have seen turtle heads that look like a dang otters head.

Anyway, even though i catch and release, I have had a fish or two swallow the hook. It isn't pretty. And if I catch a turtle, I just cut the line. No way am I loosing a finger. If I have someone with me to assist, we will remove the hook, but with our turtles, its not a one man (woman) job.

Confession has not made me feel better.

[Panamark]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by HELLVIS

Originally posted by Panamark


"THE NUGE" can afford as much dead animal as he wants. Why does he have to create more ??

Yes, Ted can afford whatever the hell he wants to eat, but he has true ethics and respect for balance of nature. He is also the most respected conservationist I personally know.
Do you even know the difference between a conservationist and a common hunter? Probably not, not that it's your fault, but a hunter kills simply for the sport. Maybe he takes a trophy. Maybe he eats the kill. Maybe he even does both. However, these things are just fringe benefits. A conservationist may take trophies, but always consumes the kill. Not only does a conservationist kill, they also spend many mornings logging herd/flock/pack/ numbers in order to preserve balance, while misguided tree hugger PETA college types are sleeping off hangovers. And when these numbers are low they report to the proper authorities. They also personally plant trees and other vegitation, clean wetlands/streams/lakes/ponds/etc., and recycle.

I can assure you personally that Ted does all that and more on a consistant basis.
He will not eat chicken from any commercial farm. Do you?
He will not eat veal. Would you?
He planted over 11,000 trees last year alone. How many have you planted?
He and his various groups donate tons, yes tons, of clean, steriod free, non tortured food to the homeless every year. How much have you donated?
Ted takes cloth sacks to the grocery instead of the paper/plastic ones that most people throw into land fills. How about you?
Ted has confronted and stopped poachers in the act. Would you stand up to another man/men with guns?
I could go on and on for another 5,000 words and not cover it all.
Let's just say,unless you've talked to the man you are talking out your ass when you make the kind of assumptions that have been made on this thead.

Thats all noble and nice.
Caring for creatures that you want to kill.
It makes me feel all warm inside.

Theres a certain video of Ted Nugent, its floating around in the
back of my mind. Let me see if I can find it.
Sounds like Ted is cool with Tree conservation. A quality I can
now appreciate in "THE NUGE". As for battery hens and farmed
chickens, no I will only eat free range. I was born on a large farm
of which chickens were one of the livestock we managed. This
was all free range.

I despise veal.

I go out of my way to rescue injured animals, and donate money
to those foundations that do so...

Think what you want of me, I dont give a fuck. Theres some things
that are just wrong, no matter how much you try and justify it.

I did learn today, from you, that "THE NUGE" is a good friend to the trees though.
That has redeemed him a little in my thinking. Animal murder aside.

And MOOSE !!

Do I even know the difference between a conservationist and a common hunter? Yes, if you read the whole thread you would see that
I used to hunt. I totally respect the conservationist approach to hunting. The whole point here is that why kill, if its not necessary ?
Its very frustrating to me that you all find it so difficult to grasp.

Yes its good that "THE NUGE" approaches his hunting with a convservationist approach, yes its good that he donates or eats
what he kills, yes its good that he loves trees,

BUT WHY KILL IF YOU DONT HAVE TO.

Simple point.

Im getting sick of this argument. I respect real hunters who rely on
the food. If I go and plant a few thousand trees, am I suddenly justified in killing an otherwise free animal ???

If I show concern on dwindling species numbers then go and kill
another animal, was the kill justified?

There are many free range farms that "THE NUGE" can purchase
farmed, steroid and tortured free animals to donate to the poor.

He just gets a hard on killing animals.

Face it.

[HELLVIS]

Originally posted by Panamark


I will only eat free range. I was born on a large farm
of which chickens were one of the livestock we managed. This
was all free range.
Think what you want of me, I dont give a fuck. Theres some things
that are just wrong, no matter how much you try and justify it.
The whole point here is that why kill, if its not necessary ?
Its very frustrating to me that you all find it so difficult to grasp.

BUT WHY KILL IF YOU DONT HAVE TO.

Simple point.

Im getting sick of this argument. I respect real hunters who rely on
the food. If I go and plant a few thousand trees, am I suddenly justified in killing an otherwise free animal ???

If I show concern on dwindling species numbers then go and kill
another animal, was the kill justified?

He just gets a hard on killing animals.

Face it.

Like you say, you eat chickens. Free range or not, it doesn't change the fact that in you own words, they are murdered.

I do think of you what I like, thank you. I think you're one of the coolest people posting on this site. No really. Just because we disagree doesn't mean I think badly of you.

If you go and fence in ( even on wide open fields ) many animals , who face it, have been enslaved for generations anyway, are you suddenly justified in killing them.

If you show concern for the cute bambi, thumper, flipper, white fang, and free willy, and then go kill those ugly ass stupid chickens, was the kill justified?

You just get a hard on killing farm animals, which have been kept down by the man for centuries, just like the black man.

Face it.

[YankeeRose]

Originally posted by Panamark
Because you have no need to kill.

You have the means to buy food.

Really, is it that difficult to understand ???

No. It's not difficult at all to understand your point of view. In many ways, I agree. I just don't have it in me to kill an animal, but I'm not a vegetarian and never have been. However, he has every right to go out and earn a meal for his family. Why should he buy pre-packaged meat if he feels the means of obtaining it are inhumane. In the wild, at least the animal has a chance.

[HELLVIS]

Well put.And may I say, with far less sarcasm and fewer words than I.

[YankeeRose]

thank you..

[HELLVIS]

You are welcome.
Have a vote.

[Panamark]

I dont get a hard on killing anything.
Free, Farmed or otherwise.
I will even catch spiders in my home and
let them free outside. Let life live.

Im Sorry Rosie, I still dont get why "THE NUGE" has to kill
when he is in such a privaleged postion to buy food.
He has already provided for his family by the vast wealth
he has created through his music.

I honestly believe he enjoys hunting. Im not cool with that.
Do you think he would hunt if he didnt enjoy it ?

I dont think it has anything to do with some need to
provide for his rich family, as noble as your thoughts are.

And your thoughts are good. I just get the vibe that this
cat enjoys the kill. You can be a shooter or skilled with
a bow and arrow, without having to take a life.
"THE NUGE" loves to hunt and kill. Even if he is the
worlds greatest conservasionist hunter, I still dont agree
with killing for killings sake. Even if you justify it by donating
the dead animal or eating it yourself. *IF* there is absolutely
no real need for you to have to do so.

HELLVIS, I appreciate your kind comments..

Cheers,

-Mark

[Panamark]

Oh and on a closing note, let me draw comparisons of
"THE NUGE" and one of our own famous Australian
conservationist hunter.

Steve Irwin. The crocodile hunter. Theatrics aside, this guy
hunts crocs in the wild, with his bare hands, why ?

To save the animals. No weapons or killing involved.

Human against crocodile, bare handed in the wild.
No pussy hiding behind a tree with a weapon.

For every Ted Nugent out there killing, I thank god
for every Steve Irwin that hunts animals to save them.

Its clear who the real men are.

Thanks for the debate.

[moose]

Originally posted by Panamark
Oh and on a closing note, let me draw comparisons of
"THE NUGE" and one of our own famous Australian
conservationist hunter.

Steve Irwin. The crocodile hunter. Theatrics aside, this guy
hunts crocs in the wild, with his bare hands, why ?

To save the animals. No weapons or killing involved.

Human against crocodile, bare handed in the wild.
No pussy hiding behind a tree with a weapon.

For every Ted Nugent out there killing, I thank god
for every Steve Irwin that hunts animals to save them.

Its clear who the real men are.

Thanks for the debate.

Yup just so he can make more money at his Animal Compound in Australia. By the way guess you never saw the show where he killed a couple of wild pigs (very inhumanely) to use as bait for the crocs he catch's with his bare hands under supervised conditions with a couple of guys in the background holding rifles just in case something goes wrong. You can do quite a lot with todays technology................