Pope Reaffirms No Condom Stand

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by Mezro
Here is a truth that will shock you: all men cheat at one point in their life.

Mezro...guys they say they have not are liars or are in serious denial...

but not all men cheat while married

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by Mezro

my feeling is if you can afford to connect to the internet you can kick in $20 for the Army...

I don't pay for my internet.

[scottydabodi]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
Why don't you look at what I quoted for you to fuck off at? I was too mad at that, and then also again when Rikk decided to quote and hav a good laugh at it, to even type up anything to answer your religious questions.

No, I do not know anything about the AIDS tests, and quite frankly, I don't need to. I don't sleep around. The only person I will ever be with is the hubby and we have been open on what we have/have not done.

Do other Catholics? I hope those that put themselves at risk for it do.

Are we suppose to test before going into marriage? No. Why would they advocate that? According to the belief, one is suppose to wait until marriage and then stay faithful in marriage. That is what God said and that is what the Church promotes. It's a commandment. To sit there and promote STD testing before marriage would be like silently okaying the sin. Plus it would be assuming someone sinned and accusing that sin upon them by telling them they should test before marriage.

Not everyone within the Church is a pedophile. And the only reason the Church even does the hush money and relocating thing is because there is an extreme shortage of priests. If there wasn't such a shortage, those that are accused would have been removed first and foremost. But, because of the shortage, they can't do that or else churches would close up and quick, of which I'm sure you wouldn't mind. Also, with those accusations, a lot of them happen because of the hush money and no investigation, which is unfair to those priests who are innocent. Yes, there are those who were innocent. But you never heard about those stories when everything was going on.

Children within the Catholic education system today are given an extensive, detailed education on the reproductive system. I should know, I went thru it. We learned about different types of birth control that are available, too! It's required for Health class. So to say we don't know the truth is funny for me. If you don't know your stuff after you finish that class, it's because you didn't pay attention and that can hardly be the fault of the Catholic Church.

And if you read the actual quote it says that the Church will promote abstinence and faithfulness within marriage as the best way to stop the spread of AIDS/STDS. I don't see how that is a bad thing. That is in ordinance with what they believe, and, if actually followed, would help.

If one is going to go against their belief system, I think it is up to them to know how to keep themselves safe. I dont see why it should be up to the institution who believes it is against the law of God to go and educate those within it inorder to help them go out and sin. If you think you are responsible enough to run off and have random casual sex, then you should act responsibly enough and educate yourself and carry out actions to keep yourself, and if aplicable your spouse, safe. And if you fuck up and get something and/or pregnant, you have no one to blame but yourself -- not the Church.

And another thing I find HIGHLY LOLarious is the fact that someone said that kids would listen to this from the Pope/Church and go have sex without condoms. If they don't listen to the Pope/Church about not having sex before marriage, what makes you think they are going to care about the Church's stance on birth control? Most of them DON'T know the Church's stance on birth control and don't care. Those that go at it bareback are either on the pill or doing it because their partners tell them it is better w/o the condom. Again, if they deem themselves responsible enough to go out and have casual sex, they should be responsible enough, especially in today's world with all the diseases, to educate themselves on how to keep themselves safe. I have no pity for them.

Uhh.... huh?

[scottydabodi]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
That is what God said.....

Do we have a RECORDING of this or are we just assuming that someone ACTUALLY spoke to God itsself... This is getting to be more and more like a Katydid thread each passing second... I'll go on the record one more time to promote full on whoopie before marriage, and if God don't like it, tough titty.

[Cathedral]

Anyone who has more than one sex partner and doesn't wear a condom is a fucking idiot, and HIV/AIDS is not the only STD people need to worry about.
I'm not a Catholic, so i could care less what the Pope says. God doesn't hand pick them so they are just another idol for that church to put on a pedestle.

My Mother and her Husband think they are actual prophets, they preach to people that God has spoken specifically with them and pretty much tells them what to do, when, and how...talk about crazy!

My mother tried to extort $400.00 a month from me because "The Almighty God" told me too.
My reply to her was that i would not help her pay her bills so she can pay the bills of her personal charity sponges, and that if God wants me to do something he knows how to contact me.

They haven't been to a church in over a year since her husband slipped on ice last Feb. and doesn't seem to know much anymore due to brain damage. But they replaced church with Tele-Evangelism.
You know, the church of the almighty dollar?

I study the word, I attend church, but i am by no means manipulated by any church. I give when i feel moved to do so, not for any other reason.
I have challenged a couple of preachers about offerings by asking if they would accept livestock as an offering. If the answer was no i walk out never to return.
I mean if God already owns everything on the earth then why do we have to give him what he already owns?
I have only found one preacher that would accept non-monetary offerings, and i am a member of that church.

Some millionaire preacher telling me to be humble before God should take his own advice and take a lot less from the till in my opinion.
But at the same time, not all programs on church TV are bad.

C'mon now, my old church took up an offering to raise $800.00 for a new flag for the flag pole. they ended up collecting $2,200.00 and instead of feeding the homeless or doing something Godly with the excess, they got 2 new flags and spent the rest on uniforms for the choir, which by the way are supposed to be paid for by those who wear them.
So now when i drive by that church and see that bright colorful new flag flapping in the wind, or see a choir member wearing that new robe they really didn't need, i wonder how many people stayed hungry by not being more responsible with the cash.

You almost have to walk through life armed solely with faith, because these are dangerous times we live in spiritually, and those who are of a false nature in the church can and will lead the ignorant to hell no matter what they believe personally.
A false prophet should be exposed so the whole world knows not to follow his teachings.
The scariest part of it all to me is the amount of manipulation that has gone unchecked in 2000 years that has destroyed the word and intentions the scripture was supposed to teach us about.

Bottom line, unless God actually does speak to us individually, we are all doomed to fall short of his glory. Or you can bet your salvation by placing your faith in a mortal man in hopes that he has it right.

I don't think anyone living today has a chance at seeing Heaven without a miracle helping you to swim through the bullshit man has created in order to put forth their own agenda. cause if you follow them you will surely pay with your soul....better hope they are genuinely annointed with the Holy Ghost.

Remember that when dealing with a religeous fanatic, no matter how wrong their "prophecies" go in the end, they'll have an excuse for it, and they will believe it with all that is within them. It is just a shame that he that is within him/her isn't who they want you to think it is.

God apparently told my mother a whole bunch of things about me, all of which were wrong by the way. But even when i proved it there was no convincing them. I'm the one who was wrong and what was spoken to them was the truth and i'd better listen.
What they don't seem to understand is that God is never wrong, so i question their sources for info.
I mean c'mon, you try to pull the wool over my eyes by making God out to be everything but what the scripture and world history shows us?

No, what it proved to me was that the "prophecy" as they called it, was based on their understanding and not God's.
I make too much money, so it was an attempt to extort cash from me in the same "Oh, you can't ask questions" manner as your typical Capitalist Church.

I don't play that game, and my relationship with my mental mother has come to an end.
Oh, but let me also add that she got severely angry with me when i refused to do as I was commanded. (nice Christian attitude i got there)
If she needed money all she had to do was ask. but she didn't do that, she used God in what i can only call an attempt at extortion playing on my conscience and trying to guilt me into giving her money.

Now had the so called "prophecy" been spot on?
I wouldn't hesitate to give it to her, but that isn't the way of it now is it?, lol.
But like i said, she no longer feels she is responsible for anything she says or does, and on top of it all, I keep catching her in lies about stupid things and she claims that God finds no fault in her for it.

I'm keeping myself and my daughter as far away from them as possible from here on out.
It's just a replay of the early 80's when she got sucked into one of those healing churches.

And you all probably thought this site was the only place i had to argue over faith issues, lol.

If you walk into a church where the spirit of God flows, you'll know it the moment you walk in the door, and those are very very hard to find.
It is however very easy to spot the frauds, just wait for a 30 min. lecture about giving money.
It will go something like this:
"The Lord just spoke to me that there are 15 people here tonight that will be moved to write a check for $1,000"
At that point, grab your wallet and make a dash for the door, YOU are in the wrong place.

[Rikk]

I'm agnostic, Cathedral. I have no religion. And that was a great post.

The very idea of allowing an organized group with their own idea of what God thinks and their own need to keep their organization alive (and sometimes profitable) to dictate moral standards in society even when people are dying or the standards are impractical is absolutely insane. Preach abstinence all you want, Ally. Kids will still have sex. People will still cheat. Diseases will still spread. Teenage pregnancy will still be frequent. The key is to NOT just preach what would be an ideal situation. The key is to find the most practical solution, considering not everybody is always capable of thinking clearly if faced with sexual needs they don't fully understand yet.

Further, I have had a number of sex partners, and all of them have been girls that as much as I trust them, I would be an idiot to not wear something on the off chance that they have a past that is absolutely not guessable. Now I'm not saying one wears a condom for years with someone. But certainly upon first sexual contact, it is important most of the time to wear one.

95% of people in society don't just meet someone and start having unprotected sex after rings have been exchanged. This isn't the Middle Ages.

[scottydabodi]

Cathedral, that's some serious shit man... Sounds pretty tough.
Organized Religion shouldn't be allowed to MANIPULATE ANYONE, and that's the bottom line. I am not very religious, nor do I care to be, but religion tries to tell people what to do so it can maintain it's effectiveness... hence POWER. That's pretty much all there is to it. I can appreciate people trying to interpret the stories in the Bible, and trying to lead people to a good life... but to use the Bible to manipulate people's thoughts, and free will is stupid. The basic jist of the Bible is "DON'T BE A DOUCHEBAG". Lead a good life, and don't be an asshole. How's THAT for a religious motto? Maybe I should start my own religion, huh? The HotAsianBroads Religion... Now accepting donations for a new flag...

[Rikk]

Religion gets very dangerous when certain people start using the scriptures as uncontradictable gospel, no matter what current evidence suggests. Stating that because God preaches abstinence and no sex before marriage and no cheating, condoms should be encouraged...well, that's just sick. That basically leads to the idea that teens should not be encouraged to be safe because those teens that have sex are just going against the bible anyway.

If someone has a moral disposition to not have sex until marriage, good for them. But don't expect everyone else to follow that idea and make moral absolutes because YOU feel that way.

I guess Dave is one of the world's biggest sinners, huh?:D

[Ally_Kat]

Studies have shown a growing number of people either waiting longer to lose their virginity or waiting until marriage. While not everybody will do that, I don't see the harm if one of the countless groups who preach about this use that angle.

The point I want to stress most though is I don't see why it should be their responsibility to promote something that they don't believe in, both the birth control and indirectly the sex before marriage.

If mad cow spread rapidly and were making us all sick to the point where huge numbers of people were dying, we wouldn't point fingers and criticize the Jews for not supporting an Eat Pork campaign. Even though we could go on tangents on how in Biblical times it was just a precaution cuz eating pork made a lot of people sick, we more or less accept it and don't hassle them too much about it. But for some reason people have a problem with the Catholic Church believing that sex was a gift from God where they can partake in the gift of life.

And it is also not like the Catholic Church is preventing all the other AIDs awareness groups from advertizing the fact that condoms are a good idea if you are going to have sex. School sex programs here throw condoms at you whenever there is a safe sex awareness week, or an AIDS week, or an STD week. With all the education kids get these days about sex and the dangers, they should know to wrap up if they are going to go in. And if a grown man or woman is going to do that, they should know better to go at it unprotected. I'm pretty sure by that age, they know the dangers. And if not, have they been living in a cave for the last 20-25 year?

And who is this message going to be aimed at? Catholics. If Catholic kids aren't phased by breaking a commandment, they aren't going to say, "sweet! score! Wait. Can't want to use a condom -- I'll go to hell." It is also not like the Church is going to go out and say that condoms are evil and tell them to disregard everything they have heard. They will continue to teach what they have been teaching for years -- sex is a gift from God given to mankind. He wants us to share this gift only within the sanctity of marriage. Once one is married, they are bound to their spouse and any sexual relations outside of that union is a sin against God and their wife/husband.

That's Theology class. Then you'll go to Health where you get to see the wonderful STD slideshow and hear how random unprotected sex can ruin you for life.

The best part of Health class was watching all the big talking guys get sick looking at the slides. lol.

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by Rikk


I guess Dave is one of the world's biggest sinners, huh?:D

But Dave's Jewish -- they don't believe in hell! :p

[Rikk]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
But Dave's Jewish -- they don't believe in hell! :p

Touche.

[scorpioboy33]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
Why don't you look at what I quoted for you to fuck off at? I was too mad at that, and then also again when Rikk decided to quote and hav a good laugh at it, to even type up anything to answer your religious questions.

No, I do not know anything about the AIDS tests, and quite frankly, I don't need to. I don't sleep around. The only person I will ever be with is the hubby and we have been open on what we have/have not done.

Do other Catholics? I hope those that put themselves at risk for it do.

Are we suppose to test before going into marriage? No. Why would they advocate that? According to the belief, one is suppose to wait until marriage and then stay faithful in marriage. That is what God said and that is what the Church promotes. It's a commandment. To sit there and promote STD testing before marriage would be like silently okaying the sin. Plus it would be assuming someone sinned and accusing that sin upon them by telling them they should test before marriage.

Not everyone within the Church is a pedophile. And the only reason the Church even does the hush money and relocating thing is because there is an extreme shortage of priests. If there wasn't such a shortage, those that are accused would have been removed first and foremost. But, because of the shortage, they can't do that or else churches would close up and quick, of which I'm sure you wouldn't mind. Also, with those accusations, a lot of them happen because of the hush money and no investigation, which is unfair to those priests who are innocent. Yes, there are those who were innocent. But you never heard about those stories when everything was going on.

Children within the Catholic education system today are given an extensive, detailed education on the reproductive system. I should know, I went thru it. We learned about different types of birth control that are available, too! It's required for Health class. So to say we don't know the truth is funny for me. If you don't know your stuff after you finish that class, it's because you didn't pay attention and that can hardly be the fault of the Catholic Church.

And if you read the actual quote it says that the Church will promote abstinence and faithfulness within marriage as the best way to stop the spread of AIDS/STDS. I don't see how that is a bad thing. That is in ordinance with what they believe, and, if actually followed, would help.

If one is going to go against their belief system, I think it is up to them to know how to keep themselves safe. I dont see why it should be up to the institution who believes it is against the law of God to go and educate those within it inorder to help them go out and sin. If you think you are responsible enough to run off and have random casual sex, then you should act responsibly enough and educate yourself and carry out actions to keep yourself, and if aplicable your spouse, safe. And if you fuck up and get something and/or pregnant, you have no one to blame but yourself -- not the Church.

And another thing I find HIGHLY LOLarious is the fact that someone said that kids would listen to this from the Pope/Church and go have sex without condoms. If they don't listen to the Pope/Church about not having sex before marriage, what makes you think they are going to care about the Church's stance on birth control? Most of them DON'T know the Church's stance on birth control and don't care. Those that go at it bareback are either on the pill or doing it because their partners tell them it is better w/o the condom. Again, if they deem themselves responsible enough to go out and have casual sex, they should be responsible enough, especially in today's world with all the diseases, to educate themselves on how to keep themselves safe. I have no pity for them.

Fuck Ally you must TOTALY be a Republican and a Bush Supporter to...

Let me see also support the war even though 250,000 civs. have died...yet say your Pro Life
.....you clones are so easy to read

[Matt White]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
But Dave's Jewish -- they don't believe in hell! :p

DAVE's set foot enough times in 5150.........he knows there's a HELL!:D

GOD BLESS y'all!!!

[Jesterstar]

Originally posted by scottydabodi
Cathedral, that's some serious shit man... Sounds pretty tough.
Organized Religion shouldn't be allowed to MANIPULATE ANYONE, and that's the bottom line.

Actually the bottom line is people should beleive what they individually chose to beleive weather they are manipulated or not. Me personally I have no relegeion. But I know Christians and Satanists and Witches and all that bullshit. I'd never tell any of them that they are wrong. They enjoy it and it gives them SOMETHING to beleive in. Noone has the right to take that away from them.

[MAX]

Originally posted by scorpioboy33
Fuck Ally you must TOTALY be a Republican and a Bush Supporter

Absolutely nothing wrong with that. That's myself to the letter. :D