is there a god

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by Coyote
"Is there a God?"

No. "There" is a destination.

ha ha! excellent...

[FORD]

Originally posted by Panamark
Eddie and Dave are back onstage again..

God obviously exists !!!

Amen to that!!

I kinda agree with Sesh's post, makes a lot of sense.
I believe in God, but I cant seem to align myself to
any one particular organised religion. How any one
religion can hate another, is just bullshit...
How any one religion can try and control us by
scaring the crap out of us, is also total bullshit..

I think if we took all the best bits from each religion
and blended it together, we would probably be a
shitload closer to the reality of God
than we are today..

The Hopi Nation (Arizona) have a teaching about this. They believe that in the beginning, God created the 4 colors of human beings, Red, yellow, black, and white, and gave each of them a piece of the truth.

It was then man's responsibility to find each other and piece together the whole Truth.

I was raised in the Baptist church, and I still believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, but I believe the Hopis called this one right.

It makes absolutely no sense to me that the Creator of all mankind would only give ONE group of people the "right" religion and damn everyone else to Hell, and even my uber-religious sister knows better than to argue that one with me, because I can quote Scripture better than anyone including her, the Pope, or John Hagee the fat dominionist bastard.

[Golden AWe]

Originally posted by Panamark
Eddie and Dave are back onstage again..

God obviously exists !!!

No, no, no!

That means the Hell exists and it's frozen over now!

[Satan]

No, Hell hasn't frozen over yet. But I did have to put a sweater on for a few days.

[ace diamond]

Originally posted by Satan
No, Hell hasn't frozen over yet. But I did have to put a sweater on for a few days.

HAIL SATAN

[MAPRamone]

Originally posted by FORD
Amen to that!!




The Hopi Nation (Arizona) have a teaching about this. They believe that in the beginning, God created the 4 colors of human beings, Red, yellow, black, and white, and gave each of them a piece of the truth.

It was then man's responsibility to find each other and piece together the whole Truth.

I was raised in the Baptist church, and I still believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, but I believe the Hopis called this one right.

It makes absolutely no sense to me that the Creator of all mankind would only give ONE group of people the "right" religion and damn everyone else to Hell, and even my uber-religious sister knows better than to argue that one with me, because I can quote Scripture better than anyone including her, the Pope, or John Hagee the fat dominionist bastard.

I agree, though i'm not sure any white folk writing about the Hopi have a very good way of understanding their way of life. That said i believe their way of life is right - for the Hopi. I don't, as i believe the Hopi don't, believe in other people performing Hopi rituals. I also believe Jesus was a very special person, but there's a billion tons of bullshit to get through to get to his real message.

[Satan]

Hail myself!

[FORD]

Originally posted by MAPRamone
I agree, though i'm not sure any white folk writing about the Hopi have a very good way of understanding their way of life. That said i believe their way of life is right - for the Hopi. I don't, as i believe the Hopi don't, believe in other people performing Hopi rituals. I also believe Jesus was a very special person, but there's a billion tons of bullshit to get through to get to his real message.

There's a whole range of opinion among the Native Americans when it comes to any non-Indians taking part in their ceremonies.

I've been involved in many ceremonies in the Lakota tradition. Sweat lodge, vision quest, several weddings, etc. Some of the people involved were Indians, some were other ethnicities.

There was this group of Lakota elders whom we referred to as the "Lakota Coalition" because they kinda resembled the Dobson-Robertson-Falwell mentality in their fundamentalism and their self appointed right to decide who does or does not practice the traditions.

Yes, it's their tradition, and I can understand their objections to anyone who exploits them, especially for money (big no-no in Indian country - you don't charge for ceremony. Something that other religions could learn from) But I don't understand objection to anyone who takes the traditions seriously and sacred and practices them as such.

I'm not as familiar with the Hopi traditions, apart from a few of their prophecies, but I'd guess if they object to any outsiders, it's probably for the same reasons.

Could you imagine what would happen if a group of Messianic Jews went around saying that nobody but them had the right to practice Christianity??

[rocknrolldork]

I believe in God. I catch a lot of flack for it from other musicians too. I do not preach my beliefs but if people ask I will tell them. I think a lot of the bible is just stories to give us an idea of the right way to live. I also agree with Rushdie that we probably lost a lot of the real bible in the original translation. Not to mention a lot of it was lost by passing the stories by word of mouth. (Ever play the game telephone in grade school?)

The religious zealots and the anti-God zealots are the same to me. Only one wants to shove their God shit down your throat and the other wants to shove their there-is-no-God shit down your throat. To each their own. Neither changes my mind.

[ace diamond]

the message of jesus is "FOLLOW BLINDLY WITHOUT QUESTION".
sounds a lot like hitler.
well, there were both jews.
they both led their own people to slaughter.
the both died.
they both pissed off the biggest world powers of their time.
they were both mortal men who were comepletely full of shit.
the location of their remains are known.
hitler's remains are in moscow.
a fragment of hitler's skull(the part where the bullet went through) is on public display in the russian national museum in moscow.
jesus remains along with the remains of his family,wife and child were located in a cave in jeruselem in 1980. the ossuaries are in the israel museam on public display.
the bones were re-buried outside the city of jeruselem unceremoniously in unmarked graves.

and before anyone starts calling me an anti-semite,my father is a jew.
i was after the age of about 10 years old when my parents divorced,raised by my father.

[Baby's On Fire]

Someone post even a tiny shred of evidence that there is a God.

Go for it. I'll wait.....but I won't hold my breath.

[binnie]

Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
Someone post even a tiny shred of evidence that there is a God.

Go for it. I'll wait.....but I won't hold my breath.

There is the equal problem of "proving" that God doesn't exist, for which there is no evidence. Or "proving" any other theories of existence for that matter.

I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here, like I said above, I'm agnostic so I'm open-minded on these issues

[binnie]

Originally posted by ALinChainz
Writing my philosphy final on this very question.

Good luck with that Al, I hope it goes well.

[Baby's On Fire]

Originally posted by Little Texan
I'm leaning towards no.

No one has ever seen, nor heard this god speak (no matter how many christian nutjobs have claimed that he's spoken to them). There is no physical nor visual evidence of his existence.

The bible is supposedly the divine, infallable word of god, yet the bible is saturated with contradictions, inaccuracies, and complete falsehoods. If it is truly god's word, then why so many errors?

The part that always gets me is this god supposedly is full of love for his creations, yet throughout the bible there are instances where god has killed scores of people because he is angry with them. He also created a place to send his "beloved" creations to to torment them for all eternity if they don't live according to his rules. Yep, sounds like genuine, true love to me.

I'm sorry, but I'm the kind of person that has to have proof that something exists before I'll believe in it. If someone tells you that a flying pink elephant exists because an old ancient book says so, yet it has never been seen and there is no physical evidence of one ever existing, are you going to believe in flying pink elephants?

No one can prove the existence of a god. You can say that stuff didn't just happen by accident and we had to be created by something, but you can't prove that this particular god in the bible is responsible for making it all happen.

Furthermore, how many religions and gods have there been throughout the history of mankind that have come and gone and have since been proven false? Zeus, anyone? The ancient Greeks had a strong belief in their gods, too, much as christians do today in Jesus and god, but did that make their deities any more real? Why, then, are we to believe that the god in the bible is any more real than all the previous deities throughout time?

Also, logic states that in order for god to even exist, that something had to have created god...he didn't happen just by accident. Where did this god come from? The whole chicken and egg thing...

Just my two pennies...

Stop making sense. Someone here at the Army might c all you a "Homo" or "Bone Smuggler"......next thing you know, you'll be claiming DLR can't sing better than ever.

If someone wearing a robe who likes to bugger young boys tells you there are flying pink elephants, then there are flying pink elephants dammit!!!

Who are you to claim there is no evidence?

[cMb]

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