Tom Cruise says He knows the history of Psychiatry

[hollywood5150]

weird or ironic all the movies Terry mentioned are/were once TV shows ??????????? new HOLLYWOOD trend.......

I would like to see cruise and DLR intellectually throw down.........DLR would win..........

I aggree with 99% of all the Cruise comments above.............he is fucked.........

[Hardrock69]

The REALITY is that Scientology is just like any other religion.

It was conceived, brought into being, and is now operated and staffed by...

PEEEPUL!!!!!

Therefore, no matter how many rules they have, people are going to break them, and there will be the same amount of corruption and politicial bullshit in that org as in any other.

They claim to be exempt somehow from the "Humans Being Imperfect" notion....as if they seem to think of themselves as somehow god-like...

One of their cardinal rules is that you can determine the problems any organization is having by looking at the rules that govern it.

They have 2 MASSIVE sets of books that look like a set of Encylopedias on Steroids....seems that they must be having a helluva lot of problems....

However, their programs are designed to do one thing...generate huge sums of KASH!!!!

GIMME DA KASH!!!!!

The great 'hook' is their personality profile.....

It is FREE (a $40.00 value).

Just take it, and they can tell you what areas of your life you are having trouble with...

And then they will offer you a whole entire program that MIGHT solve all your problems, but will DEFINITELY solve ONE of your problems....that of having to bear the terrible burden of owning any money....

They will want to sell you all kinds of books and tapes so you can achieve levels of clarity and "power".

I was once involved with them in an oblique kind of way....I soon realized I was way beyond any of them in power and spiritual awareness.....

My Alan, if you value your life, and you do NOT want to be hassled to give your entire life savings away to them, stay as far away from them as you can.

And yes...they value celebrity zealots, as the publicity value is immense...

Tom Cruise is a fucking brainwashed dumbass. If he thinks he owes his success to them, it is because that is what he believes...not necessarily what the truth is..

:D

In all actuality, it is like all other religions in that it has a placebo effect.

If it solves your problems for ya, fine, but it will either be because you BELIEVE it has solved your troubles, or simply because it is sheer luck your lot in life has improved....

But for some great hilarity, listen to Frank Zappa's take on it on one of his Joe's Garage albums...

[Mr. G]

Hardrock69, Do you have any evidence of coruption and political leanings?

[rustoffa]

Wot a dipshit.

The Hubbard Is Bare

copyright 1992 by Jeff Jacobsen

INTRODUCTION

In June of 1989 I was in Chicago at a large used book sale, one of the largest in the country. I stumbled upon Physical Control of the Mind, by Jose Delgado. Delgado had experimented with various animals by placing electrodes in certain parts of the brain, then passing an electrical signal to those electrodes. By this process he could induce behavior in the animal. Delgado became a notorious figure to me when I had read some of his experiments while researching mind control for a college paper.

In discussing the brain's development, Delgado made the following statement about the writings of psychoanalyst Robert Sadger;

Sadger reported that when he could not relate some patients' neuroses to their embryonic periods, he induced them to recall what happened to their original spermatazoa and ova, or even to remember possible parental attitudes which could have produced a trauma in their delicate germinal cells before conception. Sadger maintained that these cells have a psychic life of their own with the capacity to learn and to remember.

This sounded strikingly like some theories I had read in Dianetics, the Modern Science of Mental Health, by L. Ron Hubbard. I had been reading and studying Hubbard's works, and had even written a tract critical of his Church of Scientology after studying the church's doctrine and history. Dianetics seemed to be full of new and unique theories and ideas, but Delgado's statement caused me to wonder whether perhaps Hubbard had not actually ripped off some of his ideas instead of discovering them. Sure enough, the reference date on Sadger's article was 1941 - eight years before Dianetics was published!

That was the beginning of the booklet you are about to read. I had studied Hubbard's works since 1986, and had taken an introductory course in about 1983 (which included some "Book one" auditing). By the time of the Chicago book sale, Hubbard's writing style, wacky theories and smugness were wearing on me, and I hoped to begin a study on electrical brain stimulation - hence the interest in Delgado. But since the revelation hit that Hubbard borrowed rather than invented his theories, it seemed to be a ripe and exciting subject to pursue.

The reason I thought this was an exciting topic was Hubbard's insistence that he came up with his ideas by himself and that they were as monumental a breakthrough from what came before as was the discovery of fire to the cavemen. If it could be shown that dianetics was simply a synthesis of previous ideas, then Hubbard would be exposed as a huckster and fraud. And I don't like hucksters and frauds.

Generally speaking, it is my contention that Hubbard did no credible research of his own. Instead he distilled ideas from books he had read, the few college courses he took, his own experiences, and his very fertile and disturbed mind, and came up with a mish-mash of bizarre theories which he wrote down in scientific-sounding phrases and words.

The ideas Hubbard borrowed were generally bizarre ideas to begin with, and his fertile, twisted mind altered and embelished them to produce an even worse hodge-podge.

It is a mammoth task to try to piece where Hubbard took ideas, since there is no definitive list of works he had read. He did in the early years of dianetics credit some people such as Korzybski, Freud, and some others, but Sadger, for example, never shows up in any credit by Hubbard. Thus, one has to pick an idea (from dianetics or some writing) and practice a little detective work to see whether the idea originated elsewhere. Of course, this bares me to criticism that I am simply reading dianetics back into some work that just happens to sound like dianetics, but in fact what I am trying to show is that almost none of the ideas in Dianetics is new or unique, as Hubbard claims. My goal is not so much to trace back to the definite source where Hubbard took ideas, but to demonstrate that his "new" and "unique" ideas are neither. But I think it is possible to show that Hubbard absolutely stole ideas from some definite sources, such as Sadger and some others without ever crediting their works. The examples I have been able to uncover I am convinced are just the tip of the iceberg. There are ideas, for example, from William L. Shirer's The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (which coincidentally was first published in 1950) that I find markedly reflected in the organization of Scientology. Were it possible to get a list of what Hubbard read, I am certain that a very large volume could be written comparing what he read to what he wrote. It is most certainly clear that Hubbard was first and foremost a synthesizer of ideas, not a creator.

Some of the sections in this booklet are the culmination and conclusion of about 5 years' part-time research into Hubbard's teachings. I wanted to put down what I had learned in order to move on to other topics.

Actually, there should be no need to write about Hubbard's ideas at all, since most of them are so absurd and indefensible. Hubbard's writing style is grandiose, difficult, exasperating, and just plain wacky. But despite all this, there are still around 70,000 Scientologists today who consider Hubbard a genius and live their lives according to his dictates. Scientology still actively advertises and recruits the unwary, and so long as this is happening, those of us who know better must speak out and expose the lies and deceits. The way scoundrels win is by having no opposition. One of Hitler's first official acts when he became chancellor was to silence his critics. If we as critics remain silent, Scientology can go a long way, and Hubbard knew this - hence the constant attacks by Scientology on its perceived enemies.

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by academic punk
I second this.

Is it me, or it only recently that Cruise has become REALLY annoying?

He's always been annoying.

It's because he's short and comes from a broken family.

[Mr. G]

That was really funny. So this insane guy uses a sort of electroshock and say's he got it from Scientology? That was really funny. Now back to my question. You had stated that you knew of some coruption and political leanings. How about posting that.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Mr. G
You had stated that you knew of some coruption and political leanings. How about posting that.

I never stated anything regarding corruption or political leanings.

That would've been a waste of my time.

Can ya smell the irony?

[Mr. G]

Sorry, I was talking to Hardrock69. He had stated that there was coruption and political leanings ( paraphrase) so if that is true let's see it.

[Hardrock69]

ANY operation run by humans will suffer some form of corruption. Humans are not perfect.

To claim otherwise is a good demonstration of one's ignorance.

Political leanings? I said nothing about political leanings...

I said political bullshit...meaning there are people in any organization who create little fiefdoms amongst themselves, some crave power more than others, and in the end all humans have to deal with each other.

I meant nothing about politics as in Republican/Democrat or any of that crap.

Everyone who reads this has to deal with politics in one form or another.

Are you going to walk up to your boss and tell him/her/it that he/she/it is a worthless fuck??

Many people would not, for what ever reason. It is beneficial to 'get along' with everyone in the group.

Therefore one must be politically correct in dealing with others one encounters daily (in theory anyway).

I am wasting my time on this crap. This is for Tom Cruise to flap his gums about.

He and Scientology are beneath me.....

[Mr. G]

So your whole argument is based on how you "feel" about it? You are free to have any opinion you want, it's OK with me, I just thought you had some evidence. No?

[Nitro Express]

Playing politics is basically diplomacy. You may not like the people your dealing with, but you want something from them or you need them to achieve an objective. So you play politics.

If you don't want to play politics, another option is to just kill the fuckers. Eliminate them and take their place.

So you can either take a Dale Carnegie course and sharpen you social and political skills or you can read numerouse books on Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussain, and Joseph Stalin. As Chairman Mao once said,"Power grows out of a barrel of a gun."

[Hardrock69]

Mr. G, yes I have direct evidence. But that is irrelevant.

I am not interested in discussing this with you, as no matter what I say, it is not a requirement that you believe any of it, and of course in the public arena, no matter what I say there will be sheeple who deny it could be possible..

It is enough to know that Scientology is no different from any other organization on the planet.

Common sense dictates that. If you are unable to comprehend it, too bad.

Live with it.

I am done discussing this.

[Vinnie Velvet]

APA responds to Tom Cruise's anti-psychiatry remarks
28 Jun 2005


The American Psychiatric Association (APA) released the following statement in response to Tom Cruise's anti-psychiatry remarks. While the APA respects the right of individuals to express their own points of view, science has proven that mental illnesses are real medical conditions that affect millions of Americans.

“It is irresponsible for Mr. Cruise to use his movie publicity tour to promote his own ideological views and deter people with mental illness from getting the care they need,” said APA President Dr. Steven S. Sharfstein.

Over the past five years, the nation has more than doubled its investment in the study of the human brain and behavior, leading to a vastly expanded understanding of postpartum depression, bipolar disorder and attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder. Much of this research has been conducted by the National Institutes of Health and the nation's leading academic institutions.

Safe and effective treatments are available and may include talk therapy, medication or a combination of the two. Rigorous, published, peer-reviewed research clearly demonstrates that treatment works.

Medications can be an important and even life-saving part of a comprehensive and individualized treatment plan. As in other areas of medicine, medications are a safe and effective way to improve the quality of life for millions of Americans who have mental health concerns.

Mental health is a critical ingredient of overall health. It is unfortunate that in the face of this remarkable scientific and clinical progress that a small number of individuals and groups persist in questioning its legitimacy.

The diagnosis of a mental illness no longer carries the fear or shame it once did, according to a recent APA consumer survey. Nearly 90 percent of Americans surveyed correctly believe that people with mental illness can live healthy lives and an overwhelming majority (80 percent) feels confident that mental health treatment works. Study findings also show that nearly 70 percent of people surveyed view going to a psychiatrist as a sign of strength.

“We know that treatment works,” said APA Medical Director James H. Scully Jr., M.D. “And since safe, effective treatments are available, Americans can have what everyone wants - healthy minds and healthy lives.”

[Vinnie Velvet]

Brooke Shields responds to Cruise's comments:

"Tom should stick to saving the world from aliens and let women decide what treatment is best."

[Big Fat Sammy]

Originally posted by POJO_Risin
I'm not one to preach drugs for kids...I hate them to be honest...but you see it all the time in my profession...

does it help some kids? Sure it does...absolutely it does...AND THERE IS SCIENTIFIC proof that they work.

Of course there are other ways to do it...of course there are...

but let me ask you all this? Why is it easy for Oprah and Cruise and all the others to stay fit...and to eat healthy...and to take care of themselves? Money...plain and simple...

diet and other things can cure the types of disorders that keep kids from focusing...absolutely...but tell me how a middle of the road parent can afford the health counseling that would be needed to do it? and no...it sure the fuck wouldn't be convered under your health insurance...

Tom Cruise is a fucking idiot...plain and simple...

Yes...and their kids won't ever see the ghetto, much less grow up in it.