a few questions about Jesus....

[rustoffa]

Nothing says conviction like worshiping the big fucker that wants to eat you.

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[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by Big Troubles
Correct!

Not to argue with Bob here, but it's Allah you want to praise, not Allan.

The teachings of Allah will surprise alot of you. There is more science and philosophy in an Islamic temple than there are religious beliefs. This planet is a gift. Enjoy it.

It's surprising you agree Jesus is a myth, especially when Islam says that Jesus is a very important rabbi/prophet for their faith, just not the Son of God.

And also, Yahweh = God = Allah. Same guy, different ways of interpreting Him.

[FORD]

Re: Re: a few questions about Jesus....

**hiccup**

[FORD]

Re: Re: a few questions about Jesus....

Originally posted by fe_lung


Besides, having the whole easter/resurrection thing alongside the whole spring/renewal thing kind of makes sense.

Most religions are pretty clear that these dates are "observances" as opposed to the actual date. Nobody has a copy of Jesus's day timer.

It's true that the exact date of Christ's birth is unknown, timeand that Christmas was a "made up observance" incorporating pagan symbols.

But the crucifixion of Jesus Christ definitely took place during the Jewish Passover festival, on the morning before the Sabbath. The "Last Supper" was not just bread and wine, as is portrayed in the Communion ceremony , but a full traditional Passover seder complete with a roast lamb.

So the eggs and bunnies might have been drafted in later, but the timing of Easter goes back to the days of Moses.

[Hardrock69]

Well actually there was Easter celebration dating back to at least 2,000 B.C.

It was not new...even in the time of Jesus....

[FORD]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
Well actually there was Easter celebration dating back to at least 2,000 B.C.

It was not new...even in the time of Jesus....

But was it the same time as the Jewish Passover?

[fe_lung]

Re: Re: Re: a few questions about Jesus....

Originally posted by FORD

So the eggs and bunnies might have been drafted in later, but the timing of Easter goes back to the days of Moses.

Actually, eggs and bunnies pre-date christianity. It comes from northern european folklore. It's got something to do with kids lost in the woods and the goddess Estre coming in the shape of a rabit and leading them out.

[bueno bob]

I wonder if I can now get away with dating all of the checks I write 2011?

:confused:

[Ally_Kat]

Re: Re: Re: a few questions about Jesus....

Originally posted by FORD
It's true that the exact date of Christ's birth is unknown, timeand that Christmas was a "made up observance" incorporating pagan symbols.

But the crucifixion of Jesus Christ definitely took place during the Jewish Passover festival, on the morning before the Sabbath. The "Last Supper" was not just bread and wine, as is portrayed in the Communion ceremony , but a full traditional Passover seder complete with a roast lamb.

So the eggs and bunnies might have been drafted in later, but the timing of Easter goes back to the days of Moses.

Yeah, bunnies and eggs got into the mix when people from pagan religions started converting. It's like how there's an Italian way to celebrate Easter and then there's a Polish way to celebrate Easter, and the traditions pass down generation after generation, changing here and there.

Christmas, though, I believe was placed where it was in coordination with the Winter Solstace to replace their one party with another. Remember a huge part of the early Church was former-Pagans. Just read some of the saints bios. St Hilary of Poiters, one of the 13 doctors of the Church (and not in an ER kind of way) whose writings affected Church Doctrine was a huuuuge Pagan before converting. These were the guys along with people from previous faiths setting forth what we have observance-wise today. It's no surprise that one of Christianity's big observations is set a couple of days after solstace or that both Easter and Christmas today secularly have Pagan elements to it.

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by FORD
But the crucifixion of Jesus Christ definitely took place during the Jewish Passover festival, on the morning before the Sabbath.

Interesting way to use the word 'definitely'.

How is it definite? Have you any proof or evidence at all outwith the bible text which we have agreed is a flawed inaccurate book.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
Interesting way to use the word 'definitely'.

How is it definite? Have you any proof or evidence at all outwith the bible text which we have agreed is a flawed inaccurate book.

My argument is that the events as described took place during Passover week, as evidenced by Jesus and the 12 Disciples sharing the traditional Passover Seder, and the custom of Pilate releasing one Jewish prisoner, which was only done during Passover.

If you want to argue that the crucifixion never took place at all, that's an entirely different matter. But assuming they did, then it was clearly during Passover week.

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
It's surprising you agree Jesus is a myth, especially when Islam says that Jesus is a very important rabbi/prophet for their faith, just not the Son of God.

And also, Yahweh = God = Allah. Same guy, different ways of interpreting Him.

Correction... And I normally dont correct you Ally... I was agreeing with the myth that has become Jesus. Im sure there was a guy named Jesus. And for sure played a very important role. Not the water to wine kind, but still...Significant enough. Son of God? No. In fact his name was prolly pronounced "HeyZeus" and wore the fanciest shoes you've ever seen.

I need to be clear here. Im more atheist than anything else. I believe in me. The here and the now. I believe in alot of what the same things the muslims happen to believe W/O worshiping Al-lah.

[jhale667]

SUPPOSEDLY, there are Roman records of executions that verify someone named "Jesus" was executed about that time...

[Big Troubles]

Science and philosophy.... wot a combination.

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by jhale667
SUPPOSEDLY, there are Roman records of executions that verify someone named "Jesus" was executed about that time...

but what does prove though? Im sure there were alot of ppl executed with various names.... still are.