Joe Jackson on Smoking

[bueno bob]

I got bronchitis when I was a kid too, several times, and I grew up in a non-smoking household and was never around cigarette smoke in the slightest.

[Brett]

That's you, not me. I was buried in smoke in the house, and I got a sick with lung shit a lot. As soon as dad quit, never happened again. Coincidence? Not for me. There is no way that situation was healthy for me as a little kid with small, weak lungs.

[bueno bob]

Which proves my point.

I am the most powerful thing in the universe.

:D

[bueno bob]

Glad to hear you're healthy though, seriously. We have three kids...my wife still smokes, but FAR AWAY from the kids. Got three good and healthy ones as a result. Doesn't take a lot of work to keep them safe, just a bit of caring about their welfare.

[Brett]

Buddy in my band smokes, but never around his family either. When he's with us though, man it's like a get out of jail free card.

Funny enough I was talking to my dad about smoking the other day and he said to me, "If someone gave me a cigarette today, I could easily go right back into it." And this is someone who quit 25 years ago and is adament against it. So much of that addiction is similiar to alcoholism.

And no I rarely get even a cold now. I can't even tell you the last time I was really sick. Maybe it's totally coincidental, but when my dad quit, all that shit went away for me.

[Seshmeister]

I'm not saying that smoking isn't harmful.

I've never smoked within 50 feet of my kids.

There is actually some conflicting evidence about the affect of some tobacco smoke on kids that shows it builds a resistance to future lung diseases as well as actually lessens asthma in kids.
http://www.data-yard.net/30/asthma.htm. Anecdotally I've just counted up in my head that the 5 people who I know who have asthma have non smoker parents.

I wouldn't do it myself but surely it helps get these things in proportion a bit.

There has been a lot of hysteria about passive smoking.

Would you not take your kids to a BBQ?

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
I'm not saying that smoking isn't harmful.

I've never smoked within 50 feet of my kids.

There is actually some conflicting evidence about the affect of some tobacco smoke on kids that shows it builds a resistance to future lung diseases as well as actually lessens asthma in kids.
http://www.data-yard.net/30/asthma.htm. Anecdotally I've just counted up in my head that the 5 people who I know who have asthma have non smoker parents.

I wouldn't do it myself but surely it helps get these things in proportion a bit.

There has been a lot of hysteria about passive smoking.

Would you not take your kids to a BBQ?

I've always wondered how exact the science of second-hand smoke and it's effects are. Dana Reeve died of lung cancer and never lit up in her life, but you can't logically blame that on second hand smoke. I think sites like The Truth.com or whatever it is exaggerate a bit...

I wouldn't take my kids to a BBQ, but solely because it would leave more food for me.

[Seshmeister]

http://www.davehitt.com/facts/who.html

[BITEYOASS]

I guess ole Joe is just a quitter on life, just read these lyrics


Cancer

by Joe Jackson

Everything
Everything gives you cancer
Everything
Everything gives you cancer
There's no cure, there's no answer
Everything gives you cancer

Don't touch that dial
Don't try to smile
Just take this pill
It's in your file

Don't work hard
Don't play hard
Don't plan for the graveyard
Remember -



Everything
Everything gives you cancer
Everything
Everything gives you cancer
There's no cure, there's no answer
Everything gives you cancer

Don't work by night
Don't play by day
You'll feel all right
But you will pay

No caffeine
No protein
No booze or
Nicotine
Remember -

[Revan]

Night and Day is a fabulous album. I just listened to it yesterday, actually.

[Golden AWe]

Let me just say that this is a very interesting thread because this is such a huge issue in Finland at the moment now.

The lawmakers are really a pain in the ass, especially for the restaurant and bar owners. No matter how important some of these changes would have been, the short-sighted vision of them once again makes me really angry. First, was it 1999-2001 or something, the put huge demands on ventilation of the restaurants and bars and owners, even small pubs, have to use tens of thousands to improve it. Then, only TWO years later, they make the extra ventilation changes useless as the demand for certain part of non-smoking area in the comes in - now they had to make changes again. The fact that some of these demands are parts of the EU politics makes it even worse, hey, we have hypocrites in every cuntry!

No matter how good or bad the passive smoking issue was, making changes like this is really short-sighted and dumb. Being a non-smoking restaurant should be a good advertising issue for someone who excepts a lot of kids and families - it should be up for the restaurant to decide, the word of good habits will spread, people will talk and then decide, even without a law, in this issue. Making same demands for second-class pubs where the professional drinkers go and the owner behind the desk smokes too just makes the life of the owner harder and he may even suffer losses and that's less tax income for the country.

And it's not only about tobacco. Harder demands also increase prices of beer AND food. We already have so anti-european habits of drinking and eating, people don't socialize and go out enough, and one major reason is the prices are so high.

You know what the finnish (mostly the hypocrite and christian feminist parts) government is going to do next? They are still not going to let wine to be sold in normal grocery stores and supermarkets. They are going to put labels of "drinking is dangerous" on all the bottles and increase the prices. In other words they are still making it hard to sell wine and keeping the harder liquor, vodka etc. at comparably low prices and wondering what is wrong with so many alcoholics, on why are our drinking habits so different from the europeans, why aren't we socialized to drink a few glasses of wine few times a week? Why instead we drink loads of vodka during the weekend and solve our problems with the hammer then?

Hahaha...I want out of here.

[Seshmeister]

You'll need to move to somewhere like South America because the Liberal Nazism is everywhere else.

It creeps. That's why people should be questioning the smoking thing. The passive smoking issue is being used to get people to stop smoking. You may say thats a good thing but the point is it's nothing to do with government what adults do to themselves as far as I'm cuntcerned.

These things follow a pattern. Tax it to fuck, Ban advertising near kids, then ban advertising completely, then ban it in public.

Smoking has gone the whole path. Alcohol and unhealthy food are following.

They are now trying to ban food advertising here before 9pm if it is deemed an 'unhealthy food'.

In 10 years time you'll suddenly wake up and realise it is illegal to eat a burger in a public place.

Think of the children who might see you and then copy you!!!



Hilary Clinton was asked a while back 'Why not just ban fast food?'.

Her answer was 'It's not practical'.

Notice she didn't say 'What the fuck has that got to do with government?'

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by BITEYOASS
I guess ole Joe is just a quitter on life, just read these lyrics


Cancer

by Joe Jackson

Everything
Everything gives you cancer
Everything
Everything gives you cancer
There's no cure, there's no answer
Everything gives you cancer

Don't touch that dial
Don't try to smile
Just take this pill
It's in your file

Don't work hard
Don't play hard
Don't plan for the graveyard
Remember -



Everything
Everything gives you cancer
Everything
Everything gives you cancer
There's no cure, there's no answer
Everything gives you cancer

Don't work by night
Don't play by day
You'll feel all right
But you will pay

No caffeine
No protein
No booze or
Nicotine
Remember -

Yeah I think his point is the ludicrous constant health scares about everything.

There was a scare last year that drinking water was bad for you for fuck sake.

[Figs]

The war against "big fat" (a la "big tobacco") is in it's early stages. There's been bullshit studies about how "addictive" fatty foods are, and how obesity is costing the healthcare industry more than cancer all laying the groundwork for the giant class action lawsuit - payable to the government for them to piss away on unrelated crap. We've seen a few preliminary bullshit lawsuits against "big fat" companies, by big fat people.

Of course Bloomberg is trying to ban trans fat, too bad for him there's not a bullshit second-hand-trans-fat argument there.....

[Seshmeister]

I blame Bloomberg for starting this bandwagon.

His problem was even as a billionaire ex-smoker other peoples smoke was the one thing that he couldn't buy away so he bought himself the mayorship and did it that way instead.

Did you know the editor of Vanity Fair in NYC had his private office raided repeatedly and was fined for having an ashtray!!??

All because he had the nerve to speak out against a blanket ban.