I've got a troublesome problem

[FORD]

I um, might have a few thrills with it one of these rainy evenings.. how much was it?

Did it come with a full set of furred wrist and ankle restraints?

Again, nobody wants to hear about what you and Jizzy do in the privacy of your mom's basement.

[FORD]

Actually it's good people keep stuff like that. We need to keep some of a warts from history to remind us not to do it again. I'm glad they didn't bulldoze Auzschwitz. It's a good reminder of how horrible things can get if you let assholes run your govt.

I agree with keeping such relics for historical purposes. I just don't think you should be able to buy slave collars at antique sales. Or a piece of an oven from Auschwitz, for that matter.

(and no, I'm not talking about the kind of collars they sell at the "marital aids" store)

[FORD]

With all due respect that's fucking garbage.

Acupuncture does work to a small degree as a placebo or by releasing some endorphins. If you stick pins in people and they think it will help it does a little.

Science proves acupuncture is sound medicine - Health News, Health & Wellbeing - The Independent


The key point though is that it doesn't matter a flying fuck where you stick the pins because it's a placebo and all that 'energy' shit is nonsense. I the same way Feng Shui people are full of it.


Which is why of course if you actually have something seriously wrong you would go to a proper Western health facility and would not fuck around with idiotic Chinese superstitions which only do two things - provide placebos and cause the completely unnecessary killing of rare and exotic wildlife.

There is a technical scientific term for alternative medicine which works - we call it medicine.


Cheers!

Sesh, I know you want to have the atheistic "hard science" explanation for everything, but denying the presence of energy doesn't make sense at all. Granted there maybe medical explanations beyond "chi" and "qi" for why some body can't seem to properly energize, but on the other hand, there may be things going on that medicine hasn't yet figured out a full explanation for.

As far as Chinese medicine goes, I'm not sure about the "powdered rhino horn" sort of things, but they have been using herbal remedies longer than anyone, and in many cases, they work better than so called "modern" medicine.

My dad's primary care physician is a Chinese immigrant. He was a licensed MD back in China, but had to start completely over when he moved to this country, because Western medicine has become so focused on the profit motives and treating the symptoms rather than prevention or cure. Naturally, he can't practice a lot of what he knows legally in this country, but he's made a few "off the record" recommendations over the years. Accupuncture being one of them.

[hideyoursheep]

I have been into martial arts for years especially the spiritual end of it.

Really?
What are you into, Nitro?
Shoot me a pm it you want..

[Seshmeister]

Sesh, I know you want to have the atheistic "hard science" explanation for everything, but denying the presence of energy doesn't make sense at all. Granted there maybe medical explanations beyond "chi" and "qi" for why some body can't seem to properly energize, but on the other hand, there may be things going on that medicine hasn't yet figured out a full explanation for.

As far as Chinese medicine goes, I'm not sure about the "powdered rhino horn" sort of things, but they have been using herbal remedies longer than anyone, and in many cases, they work better than so called "modern" medicine.

My dad's primary care physician is a Chinese immigrant. He was a licensed MD back in China, but had to start completely over when he moved to this country, because Western medicine has become so focused on the profit motives and treating the symptoms rather than prevention or cure. Naturally, he can't practice a lot of what he knows legally in this country, but he's made a few "off the record" recommendations over the years. Accupuncture being one of them.

Bollocks.

The golden rule is replace the word 'energy' with bullshit.

People in fucking huts with a life expectancy of 25 used traditional herbal remedies, that's why they had a life expectancy of 25.

Aspirin is a herbal remedy but one that has been proved to work. That is the only difference between aspirin and a alternative herbal remedy. If the alternative herbal remedy worked it would be called a medicine.

The reason Chinese medicine is shit is the same reason that their huge civilization couldn't even come up with a knife and fork. Rice is a fucker to grow. It takes hour and hour after hour of time in the paddy field which leaves you a lot less time to invent shit so you come up with idiotic shortcuts like eating a tigers dick makes you horny or whatever.

What your Chinese doctor 'knows' is at best fucking nonsense which is why it is illegal to practice not because 100s of thousands of clinicians are part of some secret conspiracy to make you buy expensive drugs.

The funny thing is that deep down you all know this hocus pocus energy bullshit is bogus which is why if your dad is in a car accident today he will not be phoning Dr No asking him for a prescription for a cheetahs scrotum, he'll be going as fast as he can to the ER.

[Seshmeister]

I wonder if Cato knows about this ??

Knows about it?

He did most of it...

[binnie]

Bollocks.

The golden rule is replace the word 'energy' with bullshit.

People in fucking huts with a life expectancy of 25 used traditional herbal remedies, that's why they had a life expectancy of 25.

Aspirin is a herbal remedy but one that has been proved to work. That is the only difference between aspirin and a alternative herbal remedy. If the alternative herbal remedy worked it would be called a medicine.

The reason Chinese medicine is shit is the same reason that their huge civilization couldn't even come up with a knife and fork. Rice is a fucker to grow. It takes hour and hour after hour of time in the paddy field which leaves you a lot less time to invent shit so you come up with idiotic shortcuts like eating a tigers dick makes you horny or whatever.

What your Chinese doctor 'knows' is at best fucking nonsense which is why it is illegal to practice not because 100s of thousands of clinicians are part of some secret conspiracy to make you buy expensive drugs.

The funny thing is that deep down you all know this hocus pocus energy bullshit is bogus which is why if your dad is in a car accident today he will not be phoning Dr No asking him for a prescription for a cheetahs scrotum, he'll be going as fast as he can to the ER.

Woah there Sesh, you're usually much, much calmer than this. You're letting your passions get the better of you. Painting Chinese culture as backward because they don't use knives and forks is a little reductive and smacks of Western superiority - it's just their way of eating. The Chinese had the printing press long before Europeans, had a major Empire long before anybody in Europe (following the fall of Rome), and will inevitably be the next 'global' world power regardless of their 'superstitions' (hate that term, it implies that Western culture doesn't have any myths or fantasies - even atheists subscribe to some.)

On the point about 'alternative medicines' being largely nonesense, I am in agreement with you. However, if the 'placebo' works for some people, then what harm are they doing? If it makes you feel better than for no other reason than you believe it will, then so be it.

[blonddgirl777]

... there may be things going on that medicine hasn't yet figured out a full explanation for...

There IS...
My oncologist, 2 radio-therapists, along with my gynecologist and family doctor agree 100% with that.
They told me so.

I had a crew of specialists "working" on me last summer and they all told me that there where some things that their science, that science they beleive in so much to have spent years of their lives studying, traveling the world to learn more about and still consulting worldwide, to come up with the best treatments for their patients...
Those specialists told me flat out to accept the fact that this science had some limits (still to this day) and that I had to accept it!

I tell you Seish., when there you find yourself pushed at the wall and feel like there are no issues... You start beleiving in "something" else!

[blonddgirl777]

... he's made a few "off the record" recommendations over the years. Accupuncture being one of them.

Our provincial health care won't pay for alternative medecine and it's a pitty. Except for *some cases. Although, I understand it would cost a fortune...
But when getting a benifit package from an employer, you get accupuncture as well as physical therapy, massage therapy, psycholigist and a bunch of others...

*Many hospitals provide (free of charge) accupuncture for women in labor, patients that suffer great pain and other cases as well. Some people even use that practice instead of anaesthesia for operations, teeth pulling etc...

Accupuncture is THE oldest medecine in the world!
So, there is one Chinese medecine that has proven itself, if not, no insurance cies. (even less our gvrnmt) would want to pay for it.

[blonddgirl777]

Watch the show and decide for yourself...

Last night, I watched 2 episodes...
The one with the old abandonned sanetarium in Kentuckey and another one in a woman's house (some guy had commited suicide in her bedroom)...

"Can you hear this... Did you see that?..." On their recording devices...

I am so not convinced!
Sorry... I kept laughing, the whole time...

[Dr. Love]

Yeah, Sesh! Don't be judging people for eating with sticks! Do you consider cavemen to be backward and uncultured too!?

[Nickdfresh]

With all due respect that's fucking garbage.

Acupuncture does work to a small degree as a placebo or by releasing some endorphins. If you stick pins in people and they think it will help it does a little.

Science proves acupuncture is sound medicine - Health News, Health & Wellbeing - The Independent


The key point though is that it doesn't matter a flying fuck where you stick the pins because it's a placebo and all that 'energy' shit is nonsense. I the same way Feng Shui people are full of it.


Which is why of course if you actually have something seriously wrong you would go to a proper Western health facility and would not fuck around with idiotic Chinese superstitions which only do two things - provide placebos and cause the completely unnecessary killing of rare and exotic wildlife.

There is a technical scientific term for alternative medicine which works - we call it medicine.


Cheers!

Sesh, stop sugar-coating it!!

[Nickdfresh]

They killed maybe 4 times as many people as the Nazis killed Jews. Figures vary but between 20 and 35 million.

Completely unimaginable - 8000 9-11's?

It's almost never mentioned in the West at all...

You can find old Japanese newspaper articles on two Japanese lieutenants that had a contest to see who could decapitate the most Chinese civilians with their samurai swords. I think one had to forfeit after over 100 because he got something akin to "tennis-elbow."

I believe the Chinese suffered the highest death rate proportional to population in WWII...

[Seshmeister]

Sesh, stop sugar-coating it!!

If you can't say it like it is on the internet where can you?

Actually the one that bugs me the most is homeopathy and it hasn't even been mentioned.

[Dr. Love]

If you can't say it like it is on the internet where can you?

Actually the one that bugs me the most is homeopathy and it hasn't even been mentioned.