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  • Dolemite!
    Banned
    • Jun 2009
    • 689

    #46
    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
    Define "individual bandits?" What exactly constituted your semantic dismissal of them? You mean terrorists have never taken control of airliners before? They never blown them up despite security measures?

    BTW, which "air defence'" countermeasures were to prevent airliners being plowed into skyscrapers? NORAD was designed (incorrectly) to look outwards for threats and was reduced as there are no major air threats to US airspace from foreign powers by 2001...



    Post the fucking article then, because they answered quite a bit. In fact, it is posted in the Front Line forum here....



    WTF does that mean? The echoic of the "it just don't look right" anti-scientific and anti-engineering method employed by "truthers" that only muddles actual facts and makes assumptions based on cursory visual evidence...



    Right, idiot. Only, YOU'RE the one making extraordinary claims contravening investigations by some of the finest engineers without the slightest thread of actual evidence to mask what is silly fucking speculation...

    Specifically, your "Northwoods" comment, which is indicative of conspiracist lying idiot money-changers profiting off what was a tragedy. The guy who wrote that piece of shit was fired by the Kennedy Administration and nothing was ever even close to implementation.

    And BTW, just because some knucklehead wrote about staging phony terror attacks doesn't mean that's what happened...



    Like whom? What did they talk about? The people who were thousands of miles away at the time? Oh, right!



    LMFAO!! Then, how come they didn't "silence" the [people that outed the illegal domestic spying program? That would seem much easier to keep silent than thousands being involved in murder of their fellow Americans...

    Incidentally, you're also claiming that FBI Agents are all some evil, automaton Stormtroopers that would just follow orders. This has also been debunked over and over, as there are FBI Agents that came out and become "whistle-blowers" over even the 9/11 Attacks...

    My... such aggression and irritability. But then you are a new yorker, nevermind.

    There are terrorists hijackings and then's this coordinated attack on the US taken from a third rate movie. NORAD had drills taking place on 9.11, based on the scenario of planes hitting the twin towers.

    I know what I'm talking about with regards to the planes. I've spent time around engineers, and I've seen training videos and cases of birds colliding with noses and engines working as an aircraft storeman for a few years. A bird is all you need to destroy the nose, whole engines infact. My dad is also an aircraft engineer, I've asked him. But none of that matters. I've asked more than one aircraft engineer but all you need is to do a basic search on the internet and see for yourself.

    If you had bothered you would have seen Tarpley mentioning a peer review article by one Steven Jones, physicist. This is as of 2005, there could be more but even if not this article is sufficient to take it out of the realm of "conspiracy!!!"

    I'm taking a look at just one section of the PM article.

    "Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

    However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength — and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."


    But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

    "The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."
    So we depend on this first "expert" to tell us that it's "probably 10%." I suppose this is an educated guess. *sarcasm*

    Second expert says, the steel was only weakened and that allowed the building to pancake. I'm sorry but that "warped" and "sagging" steel could hardly have sent that building into free fall. This is going into red on the bullshit meter. And I have spoken to other engineers who had a big problem with this too. No, they were not structural engineers but I refer you back to Steve Jones.

    Last guy says fuel burned ten minutes but the office material, rugs and so forth caused the steel in the building to weaken. I stand agape in amazement... molten steel, burning building that goes on for days. I better be careful about lighting a candle and setting fire to a rug in my apartment, I could cause some severe structural damage and have 5 floors pancake down on me.

    Incidentally, about experts. My conversations with those people only goes to show that "experts" miss things and suspend their disbelief when they're watching things like tv. Others are in the pay of the govt or in the case of the guy behind the Popular Mechanics article, is the cousin of the secretary of homeland security and co-authored the patriot act.

    Bottom line is there are a lot of idiots coming out of uni. Many of them go onto become professors.

    I don't need to spell everything out for you, but every government on the face of the planet was screaming 911!!! before and after the fact.

    As for the FBI, this would depend on who came out and the extent of the information they had to provide. If their knowledge of things were limited they could not be a serious threat.

    Funny thing is, how the mainstreamers are convinced they have enough information to declare this an open and shut case. There is more evidence against than for the official version.
    Last edited by Dolemite!; 07-02-2009, 05:55 PM.

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    • Nickdfresh
      SUPER MODERATOR

      • Oct 2004
      • 49219

      #47
      Originally posted by Dolemite!
      My... such aggression and irritability. But then you are a new yorker, nevermind.

      There are terrorists hijackings and then's this coordinated attack on the US taken from a third rate movie. NORAD had drills taking place on 9.11, based on the scenario of planes hitting the twin towers.
      Oh, do tell! What "exercises" were they holding? Funny, but no one even really seriously considered that a major threat. And if they were, then the "inside jobbers" were really incompetent, because why would you let your military hold such exercises on that day?

      I know what I'm talking about with regards to the planes. I've spent time around engineers, and I've seen training videos and cases of birds colliding with noses and engines working as an aircraft storeman for a few years. A bird is all you need to destroy the nose, whole engines infact. My dad is also an aircraft engineer, I've asked him. But none of that matters. I've asked more than one aircraft engineer but all you need is to do a basic search on the internet and see for yourself.
      And this relates to 9/11 how?

      If you had bothered you would have seen Tarpley mentioning a peer review article by one Steven Jones, physicist. This is as of 2005, there could be more but even if not this article is sufficient to take it out of the realm of "conspiracy!!!"

      I'm taking a look at just one section of the PM article.
      What does a physicist have to do with engineering?


      So we depend on this first "expert" to tell us that it's "probably 10%." I suppose this is an educated guess. *sarcasm*
      Actually, that gives him far more credibility than 90% of the jack-offs you apparently worship...

      Second expert says, the steel was only weakened and that allowed the building to pancake. I'm sorry but that "warped" and "sagging" steel could hardly have sent that building into free fall. This is going into red on the bullshit meter. And I have spoken to other engineers who had a big problem with this too. No, they were not structural engineers but I refer you back to Steve Jones.
      LOL Oh, okay. Weakened steel that buckling under the massive (added) weight of an airliner impact, with fires raging amidst structural damage, and everything is going to be fine, huh?

      LMFAO...

      Which engineers have you spoken too?

      Last guy says fuel burned ten minutes but the office material, rugs and so forth caused the steel in the building to weaken. I stand agape in amazement... molten steel, burning building that goes on for days. I better be careful about lighting a candle and setting fire to a rug in my apartment, I could cause some severe structural damage and have 5 floors pancake down on me.
      Whom said it burned for ten minutes? And if your apartment has a huge fucking airliner impact, I'm pretty sure your burning rug will be the least of your worries...

      Incidentally, about experts. My conversations with those people only goes to show that "experts" miss things and suspend their disbelief when they're watching things like tv. Others are in the pay of the govt or in the case of the guy behind the Popular Mechanics article, is the cousin of the secretary of homeland security and co-authored the patriot act.
      LOL "These people," "this guy," "all these engineers" blah blah blah...

      Bottom line is there are a lot of idiots coming out of uni. Many of them go onto become professors.
      Yeah, apparently they become attention whores that teach at Brigham Young U...

      I don't need to spell everything out for you, but every government on the face of the planet was screaming 911!!! before and after the fact.
      Which gov'ts, again?

      As for the FBI, this would depend on who came out and the extent of the information they had to provide. If their knowledge of things were limited they could not be a serious threat.

      Funny thing is, how the mainstreamers are convinced they have enough information to declare this an open and shut case. There is more evidence against than for the official version.
      I've never said anything was open and shut, just that the "inside job" theory is so fucking incomprehensibly stupid that no one even bothers to actually try to create an alternate "theory" as to how the previous administration was hyper competent enough to pull off such an atrocity, and yet so completely incompetent and flippant when it came to things like, oh, Iraq...

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      • Dolemite!
        Banned
        • Jun 2009
        • 689

        #48
        Ok, so you're a bullshit artist in short. I've made it clear as possible, all the answers you ask me for are already in my post and quoted material and now you ask me a physicist has to do with engineering and so forth. Your attempt at "deconstructing" my post with multi-quotes is an even lamer attempt at being intellectual and "debunking" arguments than Popular Mechanics'. But whatever, more power to you.

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        • Nickdfresh
          SUPER MODERATOR

          • Oct 2004
          • 49219

          #49
          Originally posted by Dolemite!
          Ok, so you're a bullshit artist in short.
          LMFAO!! Classic!

          I've made it clear as possible, all the answers you ask me for are already in my post and quoted material and now you ask me a physicist has to do with engineering and so forth. Your attempt at "deconstructing" my post with multi-quotes is an even lamer attempt at being intellectual and "debunking" arguments than Popular Mechanics'. But whatever, more power to you.


          Go back to masturbating to overnight radio douchebags...

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          • Seshmeister
            ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

            • Oct 2003
            • 35212

            #50
            Originally posted by Douglas T.
            Maybe they was planning this way back when they built the towers!
            There are actually people on the internet that believe that.

            They think that the WTC was built with the mysterious controlled demolition charges in place. So think on that any time you get into an elevator, there are mysterious people that put explosives in big buildings when they are getting made.

            Nobody knows why or how they get away with it - they just do...

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            • Seshmeister
              ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

              • Oct 2003
              • 35212

              #51
              BTW Dolomite its not the nose of the plane you are seeing. Ok? Huge big mystery solved. It's not the nose of the plane. It's not. Now relax and think it's...not...the...nose...of...the..plane. Now take a deep breath. It's not the nose of the plane.

              Next time we're going to go through the shapes in the smoke.

              I don't want to give too much away in advance but guess what they weren't the face of Satan... wooo who would have fucking thought...?

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              • Dolemite!
                Banned
                • Jun 2009
                • 689

                #52
                Oh really? Well thanks for clearing that up for me. Whew!

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                • FORD
                  ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                  • Jan 2004
                  • 58829

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Seshmeister
                  There are actually people on the internet that believe that.

                  They think that the WTC was built with the mysterious controlled demolition charges in place. So think on that any time you get into an elevator, there are mysterious people that put explosives in big buildings when they are getting made.

                  Nobody knows why or how they get away with it - they just do...
                  If I lived or worked in Manhattan, in the shadow of those huge behemoth buildings, I think I'd feel safer knowing that they could be safely imploded in the event of an emergency, as opposed to them falling over like a concrete sequoia right on to where ever I was.

                  Might have been just the wiring circuits and not the charges themselves, or older charges that were updated during the later "remodels" when Marvin Bush's company shut down the building for the weekend, or shut off an entire floor for a period of time.

                  The existence of built in demolition circuits wouldn't be evil or conspiratory in and of itself, just a precaution to avoid a much bigger catastrophe from a huge earthquake or meteor hitting the planet or whatever else might really fuck up a building.
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