Nativity My Ass - The Reality Of Jesus's Birth

[kwame k]

Merry Christmas Hardrock. And everyone else here.

Back at ya, Saddie......health and happiness to you and yours!

[chefcraig]

If anyone is curious about those pesky "missing years" of Jesus' life that the Bible rather inconveniently leaves out, I'd highly recommend Christopher Moore's "Lamb: The Gospel According to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal". It is insightful, blasphemous and highly entertaining. Best of all, there are ninjas.

[thome]

....and Happy Holidays to the overtly sensative non-believers.

'Cause, you gotta belive in something....

[thome]

If anyone is curious about those pesky "missing years" of Jesus' life that the Bible rather inconveniently leaves out, I'd highly recommend Christopher Moore's "Lamb: The Gospel According to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal". It is insightful, blasphemous and highly entertaining. Best of all, there are ninjas.

because I refuse to spank or tickle

5

for you, lol...

[Hardrock69]

....and Happy Holidays to the overtly sensative non-believers.

'Cause, you gotta belive in something....

True. They do have to be-live in something.

[thome]

True. They do have to be-live in something.

Thar be truths in them thar wurds.

5's for everybody

[kwame k]

Alright, here's some other questions about Christ's birth date......

And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. Luke 2:8

Why were the Shepherds out tending their flocks in the middle of winter? Wasn't it common to bring in the flock for the winter?

19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. Matthew 24:19, 20

Even Matthew takes time to mention that traveling in winter fucking sucks.

Why did Joseph and Mary travel to Jerusalem in the first place?
Would a Roman administrator require registration involving travel during the season when Judea was dangerous to travel in? Wouldn't he wait until a more opportune time? You can't pay your taxes if you're dead on the trail.

Since the winter solace is on December 21st all of these cults/religions put the rebirth/resurrection near that date. Which makes sense if you think about it. These people lived and starved by the harvest. The shortest day of the year followed by the lengthening of days. The rebirth of the sun! The winter solace was so important to all cultures that followed the movement of the stars/planets. It reaffirmed that spring would come and another planting season could begin.

So any hero or Messiah who you are creating, it makes sense that you have his birth or resurrection during the rebirth of the Sun.

[Hardrock69]

There is also the theory by a lot of peeps that the "Eastern Star" was Sirius, and the three stars in the belt of Orion were called "The Three Wise Men" in ancient times, and if you line them up on Dec. 25th, they point directly to where the Sun rises on that day.

[ZahZoo]

Actually my last post didn't really apply to you Zahzoo I think at your age you were fucked either way...

I'll probably outlive y'all... and piss on your graves!!

[kwame k]

I'll probably outlive y'all... and piss on your graves!!

Well, finally someone here has the Christmas Spirit

[Sensible Shoes]

Um, Winter in the Middle East is kinda not cold hon.

Alright, here's some other questions about Christ's birth date......


Why were the Shepherds out tending their flocks in the middle of winter? Wasn't it common to bring in the flock for the winter?


Even Matthew takes time to mention that traveling in winter fucking sucks.

Why did Joseph and Mary travel to Jerusalem in the first place?
Would a Roman administrator require registration involving travel during the season when Judea was dangerous to travel in? Wouldn't he wait until a more opportune time? You can't pay your taxes if you're dead on the trail.

Since the winter solace is on December 21st all of these cults/religions put the rebirth/resurrection near that date. Which makes sense if you think about it. These people lived and starved by the harvest. The shortest day of the year followed by the lengthening of days. The rebirth of the sun! The winter solace was so important to all cultures that followed the movement of the stars/planets. It reaffirmed that spring would come and another planting season could begin.

So any hero or Messiah who you are creating, it makes sense that you have his birth or resurrection during the rebirth of the Sun.

[Sensible Shoes]

Not when it is the only document.

In fact that makes the case against even stronger.

It isn't the only document. There are MANY other ways to refute the Christmas story other than the Bible itself. Many were mentioned later in this thread.

I encourage the debunking process - and think that Christmas does much better as a secular holiday.

[kwame k]

Um, Winter in the Middle East is kinda not cold hon.

Not according to Matthew......

[ELVIS]

The fact that you idiots go to great lenghts to prove that the word of God wrong, is proof (to me) that you really want to believe...

My only suggestion is that you trust Him and His word...

[Hardrock69]

Aside from all the grown up reality stuff about Christmas, it is certainly worth it to see kids faces on Christmas morning.

Or, for instance, to see photos of PanaMatt on Santa's knee!

No, I am not a total humbug.