Nativity My Ass - The Reality Of Jesus's Birth

[Shaun Ponsonby]

'Cause, you gotta belive in something....

Thats true...there's an old academic quote, "When people stop believeing in God, they don't believe in nothing".

You could argue that the rise in things like celebrity culture and the like is because people are looking for their own personal "idols" in absence of religion.

The fact that they are choosing Paris Hilton is pretty worrying. At least choose someone like Lemmy.

[Sensible Shoes]

The fact that you idiots go to great lenghts to prove that the word of God wrong, is proof (to me) that you really want to believe...

My only suggestion is that you trust Him and His word...

You know, God gave us these brains and expects us to use them. We will never come up with proof one way or the other, so it comes down to if you choose to believe - or not! Healthy minds, God doesn't have any problem with that. That's why there are Jesuits!

There's only one way to find out if it's all true or not - to die.

[kwame k]

Aside from all the grown up reality stuff about Christmas, it is certainly worth it to see kids faces on Christmas morning.

Or, for instance, to see photos of PanaMatt on Santa's knee!

No, I am not a total humbug.

Surprisingly neither am I...we're having an ugly sweater/Christmas neighborhood keg party tonight. Have my Christmas station all set-up on Pandora. Bought/buying presents for my family. I love Christmas! Love getting together with friends and family and sharing.

Christ has nothing to do with our modern Christmas, period. Except for those people who make the 3 times a year pilgrimage to church.

I would never ruin a kids Christmas with this shit we are debating. I've always been interested in the back story or history of how our modern traditions and religion evolved. This to me has nothing to do with faith and is more academic than anything else.

[ELVIS]

Shoes, how can you say God doesn't have a problem with this or that ??

[Golden AWe]

Plus even the christian theology (did I spell that right?) people in the universities, who study the Bible, and are men in faith, admit and know that the supposed date of the "historical" Jesus's birth was NOT around Christmas...it was not even in December, but March or April...like many other matters in the Bible, it was decided and moved to Christmas when the romans started becoming christians.

[Golden AWe]

Shoes, how can you say God doesn't have a problem with this or that ??

I bet 100 bucks God has a problem with the Dump Meisters too...

[ELVIS]

Haha...

[Sensible Shoes]

Shoes, how can you say God doesn't have a problem with this or that ??

Because if you believe that we were created by God, and therefore God gave us brains, then God would be pleased that the brains worked. I cannot say that God approves of HOW we use them, simply that we DO. Bout that simple.

Now are you going to tell me that my belief system is flawed because God might disapprove of us using our brains?

[ELVIS]

Maybe...

God give's us the ability and the free will to do the right thing...

[Shaun Ponsonby]

Plus even the christian theology (did I spell that right?) people in the universities, who study the Bible, and are men in faith, admit and know that the supposed date of the "historical" Jesus's birth was NOT around Christmas...it was not even in December, but March or April...like many other matters in the Bible, it was decided and moved to Christmas when the romans started becoming christians.

Jesus: born in the middle of summer in the middle of the desert.

Christmas cards feature: snowmen

[Nitro Express]

When I was a kid all I cared about was getting out of school for two weeks and getting a bunch of presents. Now I just want to get loaded on scotch and champaign, do some skiing, ride the snowmobile around, sit in the hot tub, and get laid.

[Sensible Shoes]

Maybe...

God give's us the ability and the free will to do the right thing...

Exactly my point.

[Nitro Express]

Jackson Hole is a hoot on New Years. All ski resort towns are. It get's pretty wild. That's really the fun for me now.

[Nitro Express]

We are gods.

[Nitro Express]

If you are waiting around for someone to save you, then good fucking luck. There are only universal laws and the creation. Where we exist in it is up to us.