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  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49567

    U.S. Marine Shoots Wounded Insurgent

    As a former soldier I can see why this happened. Dead and wounded insurgents are often booby trapped or use grenades to kill themselves and approaching enemies.


    Military investigates shooting of wounded insurgent
    Commanders fear tape will discourage surrendering
    Tuesday, November 16, 2004 Posted: 3:07 AM EST (0807 GMT)

    U.S. Marines arrive at the mosque in Falluja on Saturday.

    FALLUJA, Iraq (CNN) -- The U.S. military is investigating whether a Marine shot dead an unarmed, wounded insurgent during the battle for Falluja in an incident captured on videotape by a pool reporter.

    The man was shot in the head at close range Saturday by a Marine who found him among a group of wounded men. The wounded men were found in a mosque that Marines said had been the source of small-arms and rocket-propelled grenade fire the previous day.

    The Marine in the videotape has been removed from his unit and taken to the headquarters of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, and the Navy's Criminal Investigative Service said it plans to question one of the other wounded Iraqis as part of the probe, according to the pool reporter embedded with the unit.

    "Let me make it perfectly clear: We follow the law of armed conflict and we hold ourselves to high standard of accountability," Marine Lt. Gen. John F. Sattler said Tuesday. "The facts of this case will be thoroughly pursued to make an informed decision and to protect rights of all persons involved."

    The investigation will determine whether the Marine violated any rules or should be charged with any crime. Lt. Col. Bob Miller, a staff judge advocate for the 1st Marine Division, said wounded insurgents who pose no threat generally "would not be considered hostile."

    The Marine seen shooting the man was part of a squad from the 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, which had been part of intense house-to-house fighting in southern Falluja.

    U.S. rules of engagement prohibit American troops from killing any prisoner who does not pose a threat, and commanders say they are worried the video might encourage more insurgents to fight to the death rather than surrender.

    The military asked that networks obscure the names and recognizable faces of the Marines inside the mosque when they broadcast video of the incident. The request came from Marine judge advocate Col. John Weil to NBC News, which videotaped the killing, and was based on privacy concerns.

    Friday, the Marines were fired upon by snipers and insurgents armed with rocket-propelled grenades from a mosque and an adjacent building. The Marines returned fire with tank shells and machine guns.

    They eventually stormed the mosque, killing 10 insurgents and wounding five others, and showing off a cache of rifles and grenades for journalists.

    The Marines told the pool reporter that the wounded men would be left behind for others to pick up and move to the rear for treatment. But Saturday, another squad of Marines found that the mosque had been reoccupied by insurgents and attacked it again, only to find the same wounded men inside.

    Four of the men appeared to have been shot again in Saturday's fighting, and one of them appeared to be dead, according to the pool report. In the video, a Marine was seen noticing that one of the men appeared to be breathing.

    A Marine approached one of the men in the mosque saying, "He's [expletive] faking he's dead. He's faking he's [expletive] dead."

    The Marine raised his rifle and fired into the apparently wounded man's head, at which point a companion said, "Well, he's dead now."

    When told by the pool reporter that the men were among those wounded in Friday's firefight, the Marine who fired the shot said, "I didn't know, sir. I didn't know."

    The Marines said they are investigating why the wounded Iraqis were left behind for 24 hours and whether the man was killed illegally. Navy investigators said they believe they have located the fifth Iraqi -- the only one not wounded a second time -- who said he wanted to provide information about the killing.

    Before the Marines entered the mosque Saturday, a lieutenant from one of two squads involved in the fighting was told that there were people inside.

    "Did you shoot them?" he asked.

    "Roger that, sir," one of the men replied.

    "Were they armed?" the lieutenant asked. The other Marine shrugged.

    The Marine who shot the Iraqi man had reportedly been returned to duty after suffering a minor facial wound Friday.

    About a block away, a Marine was killed and five others wounded by a booby-trapped body they found in a house after a shootout with insurgents.

    The human rights organization Amnesty International raised concerns about violations of the rules of war last week, after a British news program broadcast video of what it said was the killing of another wounded insurgent by U.S. troops.

    Amnesty also noted reports that insurgents have used mosques as fighting positions, and in one incident appear to have used a white flag to lure Marines into an ambush.

    "All violations of international humanitarian law and human rights law must be investigated and those responsible for unlawful attacks, including deliberate targeting of civilians, indiscriminate and disproportionate attacks, and the killing of injured persons must be brought to justice," the group said in a statement issued Thursday.

    To see the video click on this link:

    Last edited by Nickdfresh; 11-16-2004, 09:47 AM.
  • WACF
    Crazy Ass Mofo
    • Jan 2004
    • 2920

    #2
    Stressful situation....

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    • John Ashcroft
      Veteran
      • Jan 2004
      • 2127

      #3
      Fallujah Marine in Trouble for Pulling a Kerry

      The television press was awash Monday night with video of a U.S. Marine entering a Fallujah terrorist nest filled with dead snipers, who moments earlier were shooting at his unit.

      Upon discovering that one of the snipers is still breathing, the Marine shouts a warning to his buddies, the screen goes dark and a gunshot his heard - suggesting the Marine finished off the wounded terrorist.

      Iraq war critics are already salivating at the prospects of another Abu Ghraib-like military fiasco.
      Not so fast, say the folks at FreeRepublic.com, who point out that John Kerry got a Silver Star with Combat V [for valor] for committing the same sort of "atrocity."

      In fact, the Feb. 1969 incident was considered by Kerry supporters to be his finest hour.

      Patrolling the Bay Hap River, Kerry and his crew discovered they were about to be ambushed by a Vietcong soldier who had just popped up at the shoreline with a loaded rocket launcher in his hands. With the VC about to fire, Kerry crewmate Thomas Bellodeau shot and wounded the attacker, saving the entire boat.

      Only then did Kerry leap to the shore to chase the wounded enemy down - finishing him off behind a hootch.

      When critics suggested that Kerry's actions that day were something less than heroic, they were hooted down by the press.

      Certainly the as yet unnamed Marine in Fallujah deserves, if not the Silver Star, the same slack the press cut Kerry.

      link: here

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      • Nickdfresh
        SUPER MODERATOR

        • Oct 2004
        • 49567

        #4
        Everything leads back to Clinton/Gore/Kerry doesn't it. We'll have to nominate Der Securocrat the Ken Starr Monomania Award.

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        • Sgt Schultz
          Commando
          • Mar 2004
          • 1270

          #5
          War is hell.

          The "insurgents" (terrorists) had already siplayed a pattern of booby trapping dead and woudned bodies so as far as I'm concerned any terrorist assface still alive is a legitimate target - end of story.

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          • ODShowtime
            ROCKSTAR

            • Jun 2004
            • 5812

            #6
            If I was soldier in a war zone with my life on the line, shoot first, ask questions later. period.
            gnaw on it

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            • WACF
              Crazy Ass Mofo
              • Jan 2004
              • 2920

              #7
              Not saying what he did was right but....a marine was just killed by a boobytrapped insurgent previously to this.

              How would you react....

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              • fanofdave
                Foot Soldier
                • Jan 2004
                • 500

                #8
                he wanted to see allah so the soldier arranged
                the meeting....

                smoke 'em all.

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                • Nickdfresh
                  SUPER MODERATOR

                  • Oct 2004
                  • 49567

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ODShowtime
                  If I was soldier in a war zone with my life on the line, shoot first, ask questions later. period.
                  I agree. These insurgents in Falluja were violating the laws of war by pretending to surrender, under white flags, then whipping out AK-47's and shooting at Marines as the popped up to take them prisoner.

                  Unfortunately the dumb fuck shot him on TV, and unlike the "Kerry" incident, there were no weapons present in the Mosque.

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                  • BigBadBrian
                    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 10625

                    #10
                    Let's send him to the International Criminal Court for a fair trial.


                    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                    • John Ashcroft
                      Veteran
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 2127

                      #11
                      Careful Brian! Idiots like these actually take that shit seriously.

                      Don't want to fan the flames of idiocy...

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49567

                        #12
                        Originally posted by John Ashcroft
                        Careful Brian! Idiots like these actually take that shit seriously.

                        Don't want to fan the flames of idiocy...
                        Why not, you pour gasoline and diesel fuel on it daily!

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                        • ELVIS
                          Banned
                          • Dec 2003
                          • 44120

                          #13
                          No thoughts on this from FORD ??

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                          • Sarge's Little Helper
                            Commando
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 1322

                            #14
                            No thoughts on this from FORD ??
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                            • Nickdfresh
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                              • Oct 2004
                              • 49567

                              #15
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