The Ignorant Military

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
What about the Jews that planted bombs killing British soldiers after WWII. What about the Israeli acts of terror and ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians that were there first?

Is it America's job to be the Israeli's BIG BROTHER?

I have an idea, why don't we start to pressure the Israelis to make a final peace with the new Palestinian leadership and close a huge, festering gulf between America and the Islamic world?

Nick, you are a very educated man in the ways of historic facts and not distorted unsubstanciated opinion. I commend you, brother. You will not be caught by the "thief in the night." G-d just told me, brother. And I don't tell a lot of people that kind of stuff. Good luck and take care. We still have another year left, bro.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Phil theStalker
Nick, you are a very educated man in the ways of historic facts and not distorted unsubstanciated opinion. I commend you, brother. You will not be caught by the "thief in the night." G-d just told me, brother. And I don't tell a lot of people that kind of stuff. Good luck and take care. We still have another year left, bro.

Thanks Phil!

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Thanks Phil!

Who is Phil...that is the question......

[cmerry65]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
What about the Jews that planted bombs killing British soldiers after WWII. What about the Israeli acts of terror and ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians that were there first?

Is it America's job to be the Israeli's BIG BROTHER?

I have an idea, why don't we start to pressure the Israelis to make a final peace with the new Palestinian leadership and close a huge, festering gulf between America and the Islamic world?

Hello Mr. Nick,
I appreciate your response to my post and that it stirred you up a bit.
OK, now down to business--So, what about the Jews who bombed the British after WWII? What's that got to do with any atrocities that they suffered at the hands of the Nazis? Did the Jews have just cause to use lethal force against the British? I don't really know anything about this and would have to research it to speak to that subject to make any kind of statement. As far as the Palestinians and ethnic cleansing, once again I don't know if it happend or not, but did the Jews have, once again just cause for using lethal force? Were they needing to protect themselves from harm? If the Jews were committing criminal acts, then they should have been brought to some international justice--IF they were wrong. As far as the Palestinians, I do not believe they are the legitimate heirs to Jerusalem or the Holy Land and my beliefs stem from the Bible. During the Clinton administration, Arafat had most of Jerusalem in his possession, but he backed out of the agreement. Why? Because he wanted it all with no Jews. (Not to mention that Arafat had pilfered who knows how many millions of $$$$$$ of Palestinian money) There will not be peace in the Middle East, mark it down, the only peace the Palestinians/Arabs want is the Holy Land/Jerusalem piece by piece in their possession. The Israelis are a democracy and therefore, worth helping defend their nation. They are probably, down through time to the present, the most oppressed people, whether you agree or not.
Once again you will not see peace in the Middle East, at least not until some great charismatic world leader makes it happen.

I enjoyed responding to your post, thanks.

[cmerry65]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Oh God, far be it from Conservatives to be self-rightous!
Two self-rightous cunts

Oh, yes, in regards to this post,
I do not agree completly with Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell, and you confuse religious freedom with self-righteousness. They have their points that I agree with, but in religious doctrine I don't necessarilly agree. They have their right, just like you Mr. Nick to hold their own beliefs. In fact your picture of them that you posted, with its leftest, anti-Christian slant proves my point of the left's belief that only they are right and that no one else is or can be right in beliefs (Thanks for helping me make my point!) No, Mr. Nick, your problem is that you have an innate fear of any type of moral conviction. You want to be able to do what you want, when you want, and to whoever you want, without fear of having to be accountable to God. People don't like to think in terms of the fact that they will have to be standing in judgment for their conduct in this life and that there is a Heaven and a Hell. Anyway, this subject goes alot deeper then what I have time to discuss now. Believe how you wish to believe (that's your perogative), but remember, you will have to answer for how you conducted yourself in this life, whether you want to or not, before God.

Once again, thanks for your view point and your counter posts, as well as your help in making my point.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by cmerry65
Hello Mr. Nick,
I appreciate your response to my post and that it stirred you up a bit.
OK, now down to business--So, what about the Jews who bombed the British after WWII? What's that got to do with any atrocities that they suffered at the hands of the Nazis? Did the Jews have just cause to use lethal force against the British? I don't really know anything about this and would have to research it to speak to that subject to make any kind of statement. As far as the Palestinians and ethnic cleansing, once again I don't know if it happend or not, but did the Jews have, once again just cause for using lethal force? Were they needing to protect themselves from harm? If the Jews were committing criminal acts, then they should have been brought to some international justice--IF they were wrong.

I don't know exactly what happened in what is now Israel during the period from 1945 and the first all-out war in 1948. But I do know that it was years before representatives of the British military would have anything to do with Israelis due to bitterness over the ambushes, bombings, and kidnap murders that the British suffered there.

I understand the Jewish predicament after WWII, but most of the Israelis were relatively recent arrivals there staring around after WW1 for the most part.

Most of the land and even some of the houses owned by Israel were once inhabited by Palestinians. That speaks for itself. The Israelis did what they did, but I get a little sick of some of the cavalier assholes on this board that constantly post "Yeey! Arafat died" crap without the slightest inclination that the Israelis (as did the Patriots during the Revolutionary War) use terrorist tactics to intimidate their enemies, exact a human and monetary toll on British occupation forces, and push out Palestinian people at the point of a gun. Feel free to research this further if you like.

As for the Holocaust, well that was in Europe. Yes the Jews should have a homeland, but so should the Palestinians.

As far as the Palestinians, I do not believe they are the legitimate heirs to Jerusalem or the Holy Land and my beliefs stem from the Bible.

The Bible says a lot of nonsensical, contradictory "bullshit" as often discussed on this forum. If The Almighty did not want Islamic Arabs to control Jerusalem, then why did he wait until 1968 to give it back to the Israelis. Why were the Crusaders driven out? Does that really make any sense?

During the Clinton administration, Arafat had most of Jerusalem in his possession, but he backed out of the agreement. Why? Because he wanted it all with no Jews. (Not to mention that Arafat had pilfered who knows how many millions of $$$$$$ of Palestinian money)

I don't know the specifics, but it is not that black and white. Arafat wanted at least partial political sovereignty over Jerusalem, something the Israeli Right-Wing would not allow. Plus I also believe a certain Israeli leader was murdered, Yitzhak Rabin, and Nethanyahu came to power and took a far harder line.

There will not be peace in the Middle East, mark it down, the only peace the Palestinians/Arabs want is the Holy Land/Jerusalem piece by piece in their possession. The Israelis are a democracy and therefore, worth helping defend their nation. They are probably, down through time to the present, the most oppressed people, whether you agree or not.
Once again you will not see peace in the Middle East, at least not until some great charismatic world leader makes it happen...

Israeli is a Democracy mostly if you are Israeli, they often treat Arabs, both Muslim and Christian, as second rate citizens. Yes they were oppressed and over six million were murdered. But are the Palestinians sitting in refugee camps with no prospects for work, and dying at three times the rate of Israelis in the current Intifada, that is being oppressed too! What do you expect them to do, send flowers to Tel Aviv? There can be peace if the Israelis give concessions and prevent their Right Wing orthadox nuts from settling anywhere they damn well please.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by cmerry65
Oh, yes, in regards to this post,
I do not agree completly with Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell, and you confuse religious freedom with self-righteousness. They have their points that I agree with, but in religious doctrine I don't necessarilly agree. They have their right, just like you Mr. Nick to hold their own beliefs.

And I have my right to call them on their phoney-self serving agenda that has little to do with God and more to do with power.

In fact your picture of them that you posted, with its leftest, anti-Christian slant proves my point of the left's belief that only they are right and that no one else is or can be right in beliefs (Thanks for helping me make my point!)

What is your point exactly, that all leftists think the same. I know a lot of Christians that think of Falwell and Robertson as phoney-baloney pieces of shit that violate many tenents of Christianity. (Like giving props to Osama after 9/11 for punishing us for being a nation of Homos or something completely retarded as such!

No, Mr. Nick, your problem is that you have an innate fear of any type of moral conviction.

Um. 'scuse me, but how the fuck would YOU know? Is this another bullshit monolithic generalization you've been told to believe? Is YOUR version of Christianity the only MORALITY there is?

You want to be able to do what you want, when you want, and to whoever you want, without fear of having to be accountable to God. People don't like to think in terms of the fact that they will have to be standing in judgment for their conduct in this life and that there is a Heaven and a Hell. Anyway, this subject goes alot deeper then what I have time to discuss now. Believe how you wish to believe (that's your perogative), but remember, you will have to answer for how you conducted yourself in this life, whether you want to or not, before God.

Once again, thanks for your view point and your counter posts, as well as your help in making my point.

Whatevever. If you believe in God and everything, fine! God will judge all, not politicians trying to legislate morality. Keep your Anti-American Fundilmentalist religious agendas to yourself and the God out of Governement, as the Founding Fathers wanted!

[cmerry65]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
And I have my right to call them on their phoney-self serving agenda that has little to do with God and more to do with power.






Um. 'scuse me, but how the fuck would YOU know? Is this another bullshit monolithic generalization you've been told to believe? Is YOUR version of Christianity the only MORALITY there is?



Whatevever. If you believe in God and everything, fine! God will judge all, not politicians trying to legislate morality. Keep your Anti-American Fundilmentalist religious agendas to yourself and the God out of Governement, as the Founding Fathers wanted! [/B]

Hello again Mr. Nick and glad to see that I struck a nerve!

It is strange, but you can't have a decent discussion with out having to cuss everybody out and throw a tantrum. I don't care if you believe in God or not, but there is only one right way and that is God's way as spelled out in the Bible, in the plan of Salvation, living your life, etc. Now the Bible states "to cast no your pearls before swine" (but I'll answer you anyway) you have said alot in you recent posts and said basically nothing. People like you can call others names because of their beliefs and make fun, and try to take away the freedom of speech of the Christains, Robertson and Falwells of the world. When people call you on it then you don't understand why. No, you have the freedom to disagree but not degrade, tear down and destroy. When it happens to you liberals, then you cry, whine, soil your diapers, throw a tantrum and use your disgusting little immature 4 letter words. (Whew! Those sure are intimidating (to be read sarcastically). No, I don't believe I'll change a dim-wit like you wirth your bigoted, biased, beliefs. You liberals alwaysto take away everyone else's rights, "because you see yorselves as pure as the wind driven snow" and therein lies my point on those silly pictures you posted, which helped me make my point. You socialists, aniti-moral value, anti-God, anti-Americans can put out that garbage, because you think you are the only ones who should dictate to the rest of us what we should believe an do morally. If were up to your kind, child molesting would be legal. I don't want your kind of beliefs imposed on me and most of the people with my viewpoint could care less about what you do and believe until you try to throw your garbage can of beilefs at us and shove it down our throats and make us pay our tax dollars on it. I really don't care how you live your life Nick. If you want to be studpid, then do so...If you want to be ignorant then go for it. Just don't expect everyone to agree with you and give you an "at a boy".

Another thing, I saw where Stalker was commending you on knowing your history in regards to the Jewish bombings after WWII. You stated "I don't know exactly what happened..." I guess Stalker was a little premature with his praise...he must have thought you scored a point on me or something.

As for God, he doesn't need you or I to determine what is right. God is the same yesterday today and forever and above you or I. Let me say this: I DON'T CARE IF YOU BELIEVE IN GOD OR HIS WORD IN THE BIBLE. Be a fool, that is fine with me. Say it is non-sensical #####!!. You will see one day how wrong you were, because one day every knee shall bow and ever tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Live your life as wild and carefree as you can there big boy, because the party's gonna be ending and you will have to pay the piper.

You have an agenda also you ignorant goofball and God was never meant to be kept out of nothing. The more I read your posts, the more I realize how big a bunch of losers you libs are and just how silly and confused as well as radical you are.

It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by cmerry65
Hello again Mr. Nick and glad to see that I struck a nerve!

It is strange, but you can't have a decent discussion with out having to cuss everybody out and throw a tantrum. I don't care if you believe in God or not, but there is only one right way and that is God's way as spelled out in the Bible, in the plan of Salvation, living your life, etc. Now the Bible states "to cast no your pearls before swine" (but I'll answer you anyway) you have said alot in you recent posts and said basically nothing...

The only thing you struck boy is notion that Christian Fundimentalists are backword and socially retarded, and should never, ever be allowed to run a government.

"You Liberals..." LMAO, the Bible also states a lot of bullshit? Do you believe in every literal word of it. If so, you tragically are a fool!

Reference this thread for more information since I see you are new and are merely parroting what you have be brainwashed too:
The Bible

[Nickdfresh]

Another example. What does the Bible have to say about slavery? Is that the word of God? Isn't this on the same level as the Bible passage that justify's Israel as the Jewish Holy Land:

Link

Slavery in the Bible



Except for murder, slavery has got to be one of the most immoral things a person can do. Yet slavery is rampant throughout the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments. The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have sex with the female slaves.



Many Jews and Christians will try to ignore the moral problems of slavery by saying that these slaves were actually servants or indentured servants. Many translations of the Bible use the word "servant", "bondservant", or "manservant" instead of "slave" to make the Bible seem less immoral than it really is. While many slaves may have worked as household servants, that doesn't mean that they were not slaves who were bought, sold, and treated worse than livestock.



The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.



However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)



The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.



If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)



Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. What kind of family values are these?



The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?



When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)



So these are the Bible family values! A man can buy as many sex slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and screws them!



What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don't die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing.



When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)



You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.



Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)



Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)



In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.



The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

[Nickdfresh]

Have fun "getting stirred up" over that one!

[lms2]

Originally posted by cmerry65

Another thing, I saw where Stalker was commending you on knowing your history in regards to the Jewish bombings after WWII. You stated "I don't know exactly what happened..." I guess Stalker was a little premature with his praise...he must have thought you scored a point on me or something.

Phil doesn't care about scoring points against anyone. And it is rude of you to throw that bit in the midst of your page long rant which he probably won't read. If you want to know Phil's point, try engaging him in a conversation... you might begin to understand where he is coming from instead of being happy judging him on what you believe to be true. If you just want to fight with Nick... have fun.

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by lms2
Phil doesn't care about scoring points against anyone. And it is rude of you to throw that bit in the midst of your page long rant which he probably won't read. If you want to know Phil's point, try engaging him in a conversation... you might begin to understand where he is coming from instead of being happy judging him on what you believe to be true. If you just want to fight with Nick... have fun.

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