Revolt Begins Against Bush Push For Illegals

[Viking]

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President Bush can expect a staunch battle in Congress on his proposals for illegal aliens, with much of the opposition coming from members of his own party.

Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., is vowing to lead the charge against Bush's plan for a guest-worker program, allowing some illegals to obtain legal work permits to remain in the U.S.

"Why is this so important to the president?" Tancredo asked rhetorically in a Reuters interview. "Is it just the corporate interests who benefit from cheap labor? Do they have such a strong grip on our president so that he is actually willing to put our nation at risk, because open borders do put our nation at risk?

"Is it petulance, because we were able to stop it in the last Congress? Why is it so important to give amnesty to people who have broken the law?" he said. "I'm willing to lead a fight against this and I would say there are at least 180 members of our Republican caucus who are willing at least to stop amnesty for illegal immigrants."

The president has made it clear he intends to push hard for his immigration proposals, making it a priority in his second term.

Bush told the Washington Times, "Look, whether or not you agree with the solution or not, we have a problem in America when you've got 8 million undocumented workers here. A solution is not instantaneous citizenship. The solution is something more rational than that."

While the president insists he is not looking to offer any amnesty to illegal aliens, Tancredo told Reuters that was a "manipulation of language, the kind of thing [former President] Bill Clinton would have done. There is an issue of integrity here and an issue of honesty."



My buddy, U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42360

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Viking
Why is it so important to give amnesty to people who have broken the law?"

I agree...

I never understood the reasoning behind this...

[Jesus Christ]

Try reading Matthew 25, Gregory.

[Big Train]

Cause it is an easy patch to put over or border problems without actually taking on the real core issues. I fault the entire government for this, Bush included...

Oh, Nick, did you see that? Demon, did you? I criticized "my boy". But, alas, I'm just a mindless sheep...

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by Big Train
Cause it is an easy patch to put over or border problems without actually taking on the real core issues. I fault the entire government for this, Bush included...

Oh, Nick, did you see that? Demon, did you? I criticized "my boy". But, alas, I'm just a mindless sheep...

Holy shit! Careful BT, they'll start accusing you of being FORD too!

It's a though issue for me. When I was a teenager I worked in an orchard with a bunch of illegals. They were actually pretty cool and worked way harder than I ever did. In the area I grew up in whites were out numbered by Mexicans and native Americans. And Mexican food is my fucking favorite.

I think we should go ahead and make Mexico a state.

BT- Seriously, what do you consider to be the 'real core issues'?

[Cathedral]

I also agree, he will get knowhere with this plan.
The borders must be shut down and illegals arrested and shipped back in all cases.
Hand them an application, give them an american flag lollipop, and send them about their way, in their own country.

Hey, I am all for the "Land of Opportunity, Home of the Brave, Go Braves" slice of pie for all people. but there is a system to go through for that honor, so get in fucking line, pilgrams.

Now, can i ask the liberal beans around here a question?
Thanks, WWKD? (What Would Kerry Do?)

Nothing, neither side of the isle wants the borders closed completely, but i do.
It is too damned profitable for them to remain open and watched with one eye between naps, lol. Border Patrol is a joke, but not just to our nation as a whole, but to the officers who patrol it knowing all along their true support is minimal at best.
Look at the records, arrests are constantly being made, but they are punted through the system and turned loose, what the fuck?

Everyone write your damn Senators and Congressman, speak the fuck up and tell Bush it ain't gonna fly.
or we can just sit here and fill threads with hate shit, nazi ramblings, verbal assaults, etc...and so on, and on, and on.

I want the borders shut the fuck down and penalties for anyone who hires an illegal for any job. If they can't get the jobs, they wouldn't be coming here in the first fucking place.

Fuck It! They just need to get in line and do shit the way it needs to be done. But No, they have brochures (in Mexico anyway) that illustrate HOW to get across our borders undetected, lol.

Bush is basically saying "Come on over, we won't bite *stupid laugh while grinning* and bring yer ma with ya, we got a job for her too." -G.W.Bush

[Big Train]

Demon,

I think you know from previous threads that I love mexico and mexicans (I am married to one).

The core issues are as follows:

On the Mexican side:

Economic development IN Mexico.

The secrecy and 2nd class way immigrants must live in the US.

On the US side:

National security

Unfair economic advantage of exploiting the workers.

The republican in me says, absolutely the immigration system must be enforced, no matter what the race of the people involved (there is a LOT of bullshit in regards to asian americans as well).

The main thing is stemming the tide of people flowing in. They are flowing in primarily to support their families in Mexico, so getting Mexico's house in order is step one.

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by Big Train
Demon,

I think you know from previous threads that I love mexico and mexicans (I am married to one).

The core issues are as follows:

On the Mexican side:

Economic development IN Mexico.

The secrecy and 2nd class way immigrants must live in the US.

On the US side:

National security

Unfair economic advantage of exploiting the workers.

The republican in me says, absolutely the immigration system must be enforced, no matter what the race of the people involved (there is a LOT of bullshit in regards to asian americans as well).

The main thing is stemming the tide of people flowing in. They are flowing in primarily to support their families in Mexico, so getting Mexico's house in order is step one.

OK, I thought it was you who I sort of agreed with on this issue. Does your wife cook? (Years ago my mom was given some recipes_form an old woman who ran a restaurant in my home town. Words cannot describe the magic of authentic Mexiacan food!)

I know that many people think that absolute militant solutions to the Mexican border "problem" are in order. But I think that there are some questions to answer:

1. Can/will our gov't fund the required resources for absolute border control?

2. Can we come up with some sort of system to allow them to work and pay taxes in the states while sending money home?

3. Do American citizens really want to do that work? Pick crops, cook, clean hotels, etc?

I think a system that would allow them to pay taxes and send money home would be positive for all involved. My "making it illegal will not solve the problem" philosophy applies here.

What about a reasonable "guest worker" minimum wage? Only non-felons may be guest workers? Etc.

Time for the Repubs to put their family values in action!

[diamondD]

Originally posted by ELVIS
I agree...

I never understood the reasoning behind this...

Me either, I'd like to have a better explanation for all of this. Doesn't seem to be very popular, but it keeps getting pushed. I kinda thought this would get dropped after the election.

[ODShowtime]

Re: Revolt Begins Against Bush Push For Illegals

Originally posted by Viking
"Why is this so important to the president?" Tancredo asked rhetorically in a Reuters interview. "Is it just the corporate interests who benefit from cheap labor? Do they have such a strong grip on our president so that he is actually willing to put our nation at risk, because open borders do put our nation at risk?

yes

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Big Train
Cause it is an easy patch to put over or border problems without actually taking on the real core issues. I fault the entire government for this, Bush included...

Oh, Nick, did you see that? Demon, did you? I criticized "my boy". But, alas, I'm just a mindless sheep...

criticize him all you want, but if you didn't do anything about it, then you're pretty much just chillin' in the pasture

[Big Train]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
criticize him all you want, but if you didn't do anything about it, then you're pretty much just chillin' in the pasture

Dude, open the door and step outside your glass house before you say things like this....

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Big Train
Demon,

I think you know from previous threads that I love mexico and mexicans (I am married to one).

The core issues are as follows:

On the Mexican side:

Economic development IN Mexico.

The secrecy and 2nd class way immigrants must live in the US.

On the US side:

National security

Unfair economic advantage of exploiting the workers.

The republican in me says, absolutely the immigration system must be enforced, no matter what the race of the people involved (there is a LOT of bullshit in regards to asian americans as well).

The main thing is stemming the tide of people flowing in. They are flowing in primarily to support their families in Mexico, so getting Mexico's house in order is step one.

Big Train makes some good points here, but can anyone calculate the effect on the economy of preventing migrant workers from doing these jobs Americans don't want? I say this as someone that lives in a farm and dairy town. I have immigrants (legal, on temp. work visas I believe) right across the street from me.

[UGS]

The price of food (fruit in particular) would go up for starters. . .

[Big Train]

Originally posted by DEMON CUNT


1. Can/will our gov't fund the required resources for absolute border control?

2. Can we come up with some sort of system to allow them to work and pay taxes in the states while sending money home?

It is impossible and unrealistic to think we can hold back that many people, in addition to doing all the other things we need to do to secure our borders, which we are failing at currently. We have to lessen the need to come here in the first place, which means leaning on Mexico and helping them develop themselves better.

As far as guest workers, I don't think we should even have that. You should be in an orderly system, allowing so many per year to come here and find work and get a green card. Do it in an orderly way and apply resources to help them develop into productive citizens. Their government doesn't want it, ours doesn't and especially the "Latino leadership" doesn't want it. They want those people powerless and beholden to all (think driver's licenses for illegal aliens).

Yes my wife cooks, but it is still her mother with the "gift". What are you favorite dishes?