Iraqi resistance shoots down US helicopter!

[Sgt Schultz]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Good for your step-brother. I was pointing out that your silly Fox inspired exercise of percentages bullshit is nothing but hyperbolic irrelevance as statistics, in cases such as this, are mere sophistic manipulations. Perhaps you didn't recognize the quote from Mark Twain, but that what he was referring too. Elaborate attempt to twist a commentary into some silly-ass "well people in congress know a lot of sailors" bullshit! Who cares! Tell that one to the parents of the kids that have gotten killed!

And again tell me, were any members of Congress' kids on that Marine chopper, and how many are in harm's way. That was my comment, you are the one that is trying to "nuke" that fact and turning truth into an argument. Seven in the service (at most if you count inactive reservists) and one in the region. This is the only statistic that matters. Gimme' a fucking break.

Yes Perfesser, I recognized the Twain quote. Hyperbolic? Compared to what the left is saying about this war and Bush? Compared to your rhetoric? Are you smoking crack?

The only reason I brought up the numbers is because of this constant drumbeat from left-wingers that the Congress that authorized the war didn't have family in the military and I pointed out that percentage-wise, they actually have much more than the adult population of this country. It's hardly elaborate. Seven that we know of - there are probably more but I would think because of security concerns some are not talking about it.

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Cathedral

But this thread troubles me for another reason, An American took the word of Al-Jezzera over the word of his own country.

Our reporting is flawed in many ways, but still has about a 95% credibility rating over the lying sacks of shit running Al-Jezzera.[/B]

Sorry Cat but that's false. The Pentagon itself recently revealed plans to use the media to run fake stories for strategic and propoganda purposes. They've intentionally degraded their own credibility, and did it in public!

That said, Al Jazeera is not a balanced, credible news organization either.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Sgt Schultz
Yes Perfesser, I recognized the Twain quote. Hyperbolic? Compared to what the left is saying about this war and Bush? Compared to your rhetoric? Are you smoking crack?

My rhetoric? Okay Neo Con, defend the War then! You're the one throwing around your bullshit talk radio lingo. The Left being hyperbolic, sorry, but this war has been predicated on fear, faulty logic, pseudo-morality, those are all hyperboles from the right. The only one smoking crack here is you which is made apparent by your phony, contrived defenses of this war and your utter lack of knowledge of anything military. People like you are responsible for the death of these troops, your mindless, callous bullshit! But you have the nerve to blame the German guy, who doesn't want them there dying, for giving you the bad news. Yeah, you rightists are all for the troops getting killed for your cheap fucking gasoline. I actually think the German guy even cares more about those Marines. You cite bullshit, meaningless statistics to show how empathetic the congress is! Yeah right. Why don't you go write an essay about how evil Clinton is for covering up a blowjob and praise the mighty Bush for consistently misrepresenting every fact regarding Iraq. Tell me all about partisan hyperbole!

The only reason I brought up the numbers is because of this constant drumbeat from left-wingers that the Congress that authorized the war didn't have family in the military and I pointed out that percentage-wise, they actually have much more than the adult population of this country. It's hardly elaborate. Seven that we know of - there are probably more but I would think because of security concerns some are not talking about it.

No, you brought the numbers in because you are pissed we lost chess pieces, not human beings. All you care about is if we win or lose, as if this War is some big fucking football game. You'd send thousands more to their death before you realize that we can't win and the long term prognosis for Iraq is fucking bleak! But Dubya said everything will be fine after the election! So it must be so! Praise gaud, eh sunshine?

You were pissed off at the German only because he dared implied that the Iraqi insurgents may have scored a touchdown on us. You are truly the typical fool filled with blind hubris that can't see the forest through the trees. The typical right-wing Republican that has never served, but is so puffed up on supa'-patriotic pride that he has no moral right to have since life-long civilians talking about war is like a virgin talking about sex. It's a nebulous concept full of misguided preconceptions. You are far closer to being a callous tyrant than that German, because at least they have learned their lessons about following their beloved leaders blindly and shoving tanks around the world to solve all their problems. And Iraq still never attacked us on 9/11.

[ODShowtime]

slash and burn nick!

[Sgt Schultz]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
My rhetoric? Okay Neo Con, defend the War then! You're the one throwing around your bullshit talk radio lingo. The Left being hyperbolic, sorry, but this war has been predicated on fear, faulty logic, pseudo-morality, those are all hyperboles from the right. The only one smoking crack here is you which is made apparent by your phony, contrived defenses of this war and your utter lack of knowledge of anything military. People like you are responsible for the death of these troops, your mindless, callous bullshit! But you have the nerve to blame the German guy, who doesn't want them there dying, for giving you the bad news. Yeah, you rightists are all for the troops getting killed for your cheap fucking gasoline. I actually think the German guy even cares more about those Marines. You cite bullshit, meaningless statistics to show how empathetic the congress is! Yeah right. Why don't you go write an essay about how evil Clinton is for covering up a blowjob and praise the mighty Bush for consistently misrepresenting every fact regarding Iraq. Tell me all about partisan hyperbole!




No, you brought the numbers in because you are pissed we lost chess pieces, not human beings. All you care about is if we win or lose, as if this War is some big fucking football game. You'd send thousands more to their death before you realize that we can't win and the long term prognosis for Iraq is fucking bleak! But Dubya said everything will be fine after the election! So it must be so! Praise gaud, eh sunshine?

You were pissed off at the German only because he dared implied that the Iraqi insurgents may have scored a touchdown on us. You are truly the typical fool filled with blind hubris that can't see the forest through the trees. The typical right-wing Republican that has never served, but is so puffed up on supa'-patriotic pride that he has no moral right to have since life-long civilians talking about war is like a virgin talking about sex. It's a nebulous concept full of misguided preconceptions. You are far closer to being a callous tyrant than that German, because at least they have learned their lessons about following their beloved leaders blindly and shoving tanks around the world to solve all their problems. And Iraq still never attacked us on 9/11.

Yaaawwwn - more later.

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by Cathedral
I saw that, I guess i just assume that all of us here are in the states, lol. It was an honest mistake.

Doesn't change the fact that if i were in arms reach of him i'd be kicking his ass thoroughly for his lack of respect for our dead.

What´s more pathetic than an internet tough guy??

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by kentuckyklira
What´s more pathetic than an internet tough guy??

See, the thing is that he most likely would ring your neck for talking irreverantly about American servicemen who gave their lives. They and really all soldiers fighting for their homelands deserve respect.

That said, say what you want dude. That's what this place is for. cocksmoker!

[Nickdfresh]

I still am waiting for someone to repost what Kentuckyklira said that was so horrible and degrading towards the dead Marines.

Anyways, a father who wasn't a congressman mourns his dead son.

Base mourns deadliest day for U.S. in Iraq
Father: Son killed in chopper crash was headed home soon

Wednesday, January 26, 2005 Posted: 9:46 PM EST (0246 GMT)

CAMP PENDLETON, California (CNN) -- The father of a U.S. Marine killed in a helicopter crash Wednesday in Iraq said his son was due to come home in March. Twenty-nine other Marines and a Navy corpsman also died in the crash.

Meanwhile, a somber mood settled on Camp Pendleton, on a day that saw the loss of a total of 34 Marines in Iraq.

"It was like someone punching you in the heart," Lt. Col. T.V. Johnson said after learning the news.

Lance Cpl. Tony Hernandez was based at Camp Pendleton, his parents told CNN affiliate KABB-TV in San Antonio, Texas. They said they didn't know his unit.

The CH-53E Super Stallion crashed at about 1:20 a.m. Baghdad time near Rutba in western Iraq. The Marine transport chopper, operated by the 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, was carrying personnel from the 1st Marine Division. The wing and division are units of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force.

Four Marines from the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force died Wednesday in combat, also in al-Anbar province, the military said.

Because the military has not released a list of those killed, it wasn't clear how many other victims were based at Camp Pendleton, a Marine Corps base north of San Diego.

About 30,000 Marines serving in Iraq are based at Camp Pendleton, including units of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, Johnson said.

Marine officials were notifying family members and planned to officially release the names of the deceased within 24 hours.

Johnson said Camp Pendleton was in a "world of hurt."
'Every mother's nightmare'

Leroy Hernandez said in a television interview that his daughter called him at work early Wednesday and told him his 22-year-old son had died. Two Marines were at the house, she told her father, who lives at Canyon Lake.

"By the time I got home, my wife and kids were here," and they were trying to contact his son's wife in California, he said.

And Tony Hernandez's mother, Jan Trout, who is divorced from Leroy Hernandez, called her son's death "every mother's nightmare."

But she said she recognized that when someone goes to war, there is always the chance they won't return.

Leroy Hernandez said his son initially was not eligible to join the Marines, because, at more than 200 pounds, he was overweight. But he lost the weight by exercising and became a Marine, serving in San Diego until he went to Iraq.

Leroy Hernandez said he supports the U.S. mission in Iraq, and his son believed in what he was doing.

"The price of democracy is very expensive. These kids are doing what they think is right," he added.
Under investigation

In addition, two U.S. soldiers were killed in separate incidents, bringing the U.S. military death toll to 37 and making Wednesday the deadliest day for American forces in the Iraq war to date.

The cause of the chopper crash is under investigation, but it appears to be weather-related, said Gen. John Abizaid, who's in charge of American military operations in Iraq, Afghanistan and other parts of the region as chief of U.S. Central Command.

"The weather was bad. We don't know of any enemy action. The investigation continues," Abizaid said.

U.S. military personnel at the crash site reported heavy fog in the area.

There is no evidence of any survivors, Abizaid said, adding that the helicopter was on a routine mission in support of Sunday's elections.

"It's a dangerous environment that we operate in in Iraq. We all understand that, and again our condolences [go] to the families," he said.

With the latest fatalities, 1,418 U.S. troops have died in the war.

The previous most-deadly day for U.S. troops was March 23, 2003 -- four days after the start of the war. Thirty-one U.S. forces died then, including 29 in combat.

At a news conference Wednesday, President Bush said, "Any time we lose life it is a sad moment."

CNN's Miguel Marquez and Jamie McIntyre contributed to this report.

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
They and really all soldiers fighting for their homelands deserve respect.

So the Wehrmacht and the Waffen SS deserve respect for 1941-1945!

Wow, that´s new to me!

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by kentuckyklira
So the Wehrmacht and the Waffen SS deserve respect for 1941-1945!

Wow, that´s new to me!

It's not the same and you know it! We have yet to execute 30 Iraqis for every Humvee blown up (Nazi style!).


Let's keep things in perspective and piss off with the gratuitous assertions!

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by kentuckyklira
So the Wehrmacht and the Waffen SS deserve respect for 1941-1945!

Wow, that´s new to me!

The majority of regular Wehrmacht soldiers did deserve respect. They fought hard and bravely - for a shitty cause. Most SS and all the top general staff are a different case. Even some of them tried to stop Hitler. He was nuts though.

See any parallels here with lower and middle class soldiers fighting bravely and honorably for a bad cause?

[ODShowtime]

I can't believe I'm sticking up for the Werhmact to a German. This place is crazy!

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I still am waiting for someone to repost what Kentuckyklira said that was so horrible and degrading towards the dead Marines.

It's all about context. Read his sig. It's absolutely revolting. Couple that with his posting the story in the first place and making the insinuation that the resistance shot down the helo and people tend to get pissed. It's understandable.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
The majority of regular Wehrmacht soldiers did deserve respect. They fought hard and bravely - for a shitty cause. Most SS and all the top general staff are a different case. Even some of them tried to stop Hitler. He was nuts though.

See any parallels here with lower and middle class soldiers fighting bravely and honorably for a bad cause?

One relatively little known historical fact is that the German Polezi's (regular police) had a significant role in the Holocaust, rounding up Jews and even guarding the Death Camps. You know how many civilian Polezi were charged with war crimes at Nuremberg? I believe the number is ZERO!

BTW, guess what Arnold Schwarzenegger's father did in Austria during WWII, yup', he was a Polezi Officer. That explains Arny's numerous contributions to Jewish causes over the years.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
It's all about context. Read his sig. It's absolutely revolting. Couple that with his posting the story in the first place and making the insinuation that the resistance shot down the helo and people tend to get pissed. It's understandable.

I called him on his sig and to his credit hew modified it adding "sabotage" implying passive rather then militant resistance. Again, everything is context.