Iraqi resistance shoots down US helicopter!

[Mishar_McLeud]

I don't get the point about Congresmen's children being on that chopper. Do you think Nick it would result in emergency summit of the Congress to make Bush to stop the war? That wouldn't have happened.

[Mishar_McLeud]

Originally posted by Sgt Schultz
Moron.

So you'd prefer that Saddam Hussein was in power in Iraq. Wow, you are such a humanitarian, soooooo concerned for human life. I'm glad to see you are so concerened about madmen "starting wars at a whim and for selfish reasons".

Excuse me, that way US should wage a war against every second African country. The reason of invading Iraq (even the official one) was the Iraqi's threat to America and the rest of the world, not because of Saddam was such an evil bastard.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Mishar_McLeud
I don't get the point about Congresmen's children being on that chopper. Do you think Nick it would result in emergency summit of the Congress to make Bush to stop the war? That wouldn't have happened.

It was just a casual observation that was turned into a Federal Case. And I don't get fact that you actually think Sammy Hagar's music is something worth buying. :D

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Mishar_McLeud
Excuse me, that way US should wage a war against every second African country. The reason of invading Iraq (even the official one) was the Iraqi's threat to America and the rest of the world, not because of Saddam was such an evil bastard.

You have to excuse them Mishar, American Neo-Conservatives must grasp at straws to justify the fact they are killing our troops in Iraq since all rationales for the War have been proven false.

[Mishar_McLeud]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
It was just a casual observation that was turned into a Federal Case. And I don't get fact that you actually think Sammy Hagar's music is something worth buying. :D

Yep, that's why I've fooled his record label by downloading his stuff in mp3's :p :D

[Mishar_McLeud]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
You have to excuse them Mishar, American Neo-Conservatives must grasp at straws to justify the fact they are killing our troops in Iraq since all rationales for the War have been proven false.

Building democracy in the region is the point that makes the least sence from all. I just wonder, Bush's administration expected the things to go the same way as in Afganistan, or they considered the loss could go that far?

[Angel]

Originally posted by Sgt Schultz
you are typical brainwashed left-wing lost cause blinded by hate

Why do you feel "liberals" are blinded by hate? In my opinion, MOST people of a liberal nature are that way because of a profound love of mankind!

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Angel
Why do you feel "liberals" are blinded by hate? In my opinion, MOST people of a liberal nature are that way because of a profound love of mankind!

That would depend on which liberal cause you're referring to.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Mishar_McLeud
Yep, that's why I've fooled his record label by downloading his stuff in mp3's :p :D

Well that's okay then.

I may have done the same thing. But don't feel bad, Sammy ripped off Gary Glitter's "Rock and Roll" to make "Mas Tequila." (I think he got away from it since Gary Glitter has had legal troubles since he appears to be the heterosexual counterpart to Michael Jackson.)

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Mishar_McLeud
Building democracy in the region is the point that makes the least sence from all. I just wonder, Bush's administration expected the things to go the same way as in Afganistan, or they considered the loss could go that far?

Afghanistan was the clear inspiration and archetype for this War as they sold it. Basically, they ignored the fact that The Taliban had an extensive resistance organization opposing it (The Northern Alliance) that needed only fire support, small units of spies and commandos, and cheap Soviet era arms to march south.

In Iraq, we essentially sent our own troops to fight and are now effectively garrisoning the country.

[Angel]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
That would depend on which liberal cause you're referring to.

I'll just leave it that liberalism in Canada and liberalism in the US are two different things, then.

[Nickdfresh]

A Sad Story Anyway You 'Spin' It.

Troops killed in crash came from across America

Thursday, January 27, 2005 Posted: 9:50 PM EST (0250 GMT)


Petty Officer 3rd Class John D. House was a Navy medic on board the helicopter when it crashed.
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HONOLULU, Hawaii (AP) -- Most of the troops lost in the U.S. military's deadliest single incident of the Iraq war were based in Hawaii, but they came from coast to coast, from Florida to New Hampshire, from Ohio to Oregon.

Some of the families of the 30 Marines and a Navy medic killed Wednesday when a helicopter crashed in a sandstorm shared their memories and their grief after military officials told them of the deaths. The Pentagon identified the sailor killed as Petty Officer 3rd Class John D. House, of Ventura, California, but said it would not publicly identify the Marines until all families were notified. So far, the families themselves have identified 12 of the Marines.

House was a 28-year-old who never got the chance to meet his baby boy, born Christmas Eve.

House had written letters home describing the camaraderie and responsibility he felt for the Marines in his unit, his parents told the Ventura County Star.

"In one of the letters he wrote, 'I know all of them ... even in the dark, by their mannerisms,"' Susan House of Simi Valley, California, read, choking back tears. "'I don't know how I am going to deal with losing any of them. It is my job to take care of them and keep them safe."'

The CH-53E Super Stallion went down in western Iraq while transporting troops for security operations in preparation of Sunday's elections. The military was investigating the cause of the crash and gave no indication there had been enemy fire.

Twenty-seven of the dead were based at Marine Corps Base Hawaii at Kaneohe Bay, according to Sen. Daniel Akaka of Hawaii. It was the single worst loss of Hawaii-based troops since the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941.

The helicopter crew was from the 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, based at Marine Corps Air Station Miramar in San Diego.

For Cpl. Matthew Smith, 24, military service had been a lifelong dream. As a child, he would talk about joining the Army to protect his family, said his mother, Colleen Parkin.

Parkin, of West Valley City, Utah, became convinced she had lost her son only after the Marines who came to her home to give the news recited his Social Security number.

"He died a hero and brave," said Parkin, choking back tears.

Ohio lost at least three Marines in the crash: Cpl. Richard Gilbert Jr., 28, of Dayton; Lance Cpl. Jonathan Edward Etterling, 22, of Wheelersburg; and Sgt. Michael Finke Jr., 28, of Wadsworth.

Etterling had just talked to his parents Saturday, telling them he was tired and had lost more than 15 pounds.

When Marines came to the family's house with the bad news, "I prayed, 'Let him be wounded, let him be wounded,"' his father, William Etterling, told the Portsmouth (Ohio) Daily Times. "My heart just fell."

Cpl. James Lee Moore's family heard of the 24-year-old Roseburg, Oregon, native's death Wednesday night, when several Marines came to their door, said his stepmother, Suzanne Moore.

"It still hasn't sunk in," she said. "We can't get past, 'We regret to inform you..."'

Hector Ramos, 20, of the Chicago suburb of Aurora, Illinois, joined the Marines soon after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, his mother said.

"He came home from school and he told me, 'I signed up. I need to do this. I always wanted to,"' Nancy Ramos told WLS-TV of Chicago on Thursday. "I am the proud mother of a Marine."

Others killed, according to their families, included Cpl. Sean Kelly, 23, of Pitman, New Jersey; Cpl. Timothy Gibson, 23, of Merrimack, New Hampshire; Lance Cpl. Rhonald Dain Rairdan of San Antonio; Nathan Moore of Champaign, Illinois; and Lance Cpl. Tony Hernandez, 22, of Canyon Lake, Texas.

Some families reacted to the news with anger, others with sad acceptance.

Nadine Finke, stepmother of Michael Finke, said she doesn't believe there is any justification for the war that claimed his life.

"I'm sure there are many other parents out there that don't think there is either," Finke, of Wadsworth, Ohio, told WKYC-TV of Cleveland.

The father of Spc. Gael Saintvil, 24, of Orlando, Florida, said he feared the worst as soon as he heard about the crash.

"It happened for a good cause, for the country. ... Don't like it, but what's happened has happened," Belga Saintvil told WESH-TV in Orlando.

Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

[Mishar_McLeud]

Damn that war