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**Warham** · 02-13-2005, 06:34 PM

Pat worked for CNN. That explains everything.

**LoungeMachine** · 02-13-2005, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by Big Train
. I would say Pat has become so extreme that he is almost a liberal.

THANKS BT:D

I just laughed harder than I have in months.

God DAMN that's classic:D

I may need to change my sig for this one.

What a strange time we live in where the CONS are calling PB a Left Wing Extremist...........

Am I on Candid Camera?

**LoungeMachine** · 02-13-2005, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I don't agree with him on much, but I sure as hell agree that our current foreign policy is dangerous and self-destructive. You really trust an Israeli theorist to want what's best for America?

This is why I LOVE NickyD:D

If our education system had MORE of his ilk, instead of running them off to better paying jobs........

**Warham** · 02-13-2005, 07:18 PM

I trust Americans to know what's best for America.

It's worked fine for 228 years.

**LoungeMachine** · 02-13-2005, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by Warham
I trust Americans to know what's best for America.

It's worked fine for 228 years.

Hmmmm..

So America was RIGHT when it elected Clinton TWICE ???

I'm only asking because you tend to BLAME the guy for everything short of VH breaking up.....

**Warham** · 02-13-2005, 07:48 PM

Americans wanted Clinton, they got him.

Clinton didn't destroy the United States. Bush won't destroy the United States.

As far as I'm concerned, Clinton is just as dirty as Bush, who you all claim is Satan himself.

I'm a Republican. Off course I don't like Clinton. Personally or politically. Damn smart guy though, and very charismatic. Like I said before, if the Democrats ever wise up and listen to the guy, they might win again.

**LoungeMachine** · 02-13-2005, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by Warham
Americans wanted Clinton, they got him.

Clinton didn't destroy the United States. Bush won't destroy the United States.

As far as I'm concerned, Clinton is just as dirty as Bush, who you all claim is Satan himself.

I'm a Republican. Off course I don't like Clinton. Personally or politically. Damn smart guy though, and very charismatic. Like I said before, if the Democrats ever wise up and listen to the guy, they might win again.

great post.

I hope you're right though. I honestly think he could bring us down. Not out mind you, but down low enough to take a generation or two to recover.

**madraoul** · 02-13-2005, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by Warham
I'm a Republican. Off course I don't like Clinton. Personally or politically. Damn smart guy though, and very charismatic.

Funny, I'm hearing this type of talk a lot out in the world. "I'm a Republican. Off (sic) course I don't like Clinton."

Despite all of the harm he has done to this country, I have never said I don't like "W" personally. I could really care less if he is an alcoholic coke head, as long as he's doing right by the country. He hasn't.

Bill Clinton may have gotten the infamous blow job, but he did right by this country. This is a difference our Southern friends need to comprehend before it's too late for all of us.

**Nickdfresh** · 02-13-2005, 08:44 PM

I'm a Republican and I thought Clinton was grate'!

Ahhh...the good old days of budget surpluses.

**academic punk** · 02-13-2005, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I'm a Republican and I thought Clinton was grate'!

Ahhh...the good old days of budget surpluses.

I just long for the good old days because back then blowjobs weren't a mortal sin!!!!.

**Vivian Campbell** · 02-13-2005, 09:09 PM

Good thing I visited the Front Line today. Thanks Nick for the info, I missed it, but it can be seen again tonight on MSNBC @ 10PM EST.

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Pat has consistently held the same political positions for years. Because he opposed Bush's interventionist (on behalf of Israel) philosophy doesn't make him a Liberal. It's the Neo Con's that have become the neo-Liberal, Wilsonian globalists. Buchanan is a traditional populist conservative that rejects the Neo Con cancer.

You're 100% right.

Anyone who classifies neo-cons (Bush especially) as right wingers are seriously delusional and lack any real access to a history book. Last time I checked, some one who supports a Wilsonian foreign policy and government growth was and is a LIBERAL.

Liberals hate Neo-cons because they are carpet baggers. They are opportunistic snakes that jump from movement to movement in the pursuit of power. As Pat said in his book, Where The Right Went Wrong (get it, its brilliant), the Neo-Cons were Trotsyites in the twenties, New Dealers in the 30s, 40s, and 50s, Great Society-ites in the 60s, but the minute Nixon and Reagan started racking up 49 State land slides, they became Republicans.

**Vivian Campbell** · 02-13-2005, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Interesting.

I've asked this before, but Brie and Co. have no answer...

Just what is a "conservative" these days BT ?

To me, a Conservative is some who:

Is for small government to the point that he is nearly an anarchist. Yet, what saves him from crossing that line is his belief in strict law and order.

Believes in the STRICT interperatation of the Constitution.

Believes in LIMITED immigration.

Believes that Federal tax rates should be flat and approaching 0%

Believes in Moral values, but is against the government either imposing morality (faith based programs) or immorality (sex ed) through various agencies and programs

Is AGAINST free trade/Outsourcing. Why? Because he realizes free trade is income redistribution by any other name. We are taking cash and jobs from out white and blue collar workers and giving it away to third worlders.

Supports a Reaganite foreign policy that includes a large military, robust weaponry, and allotment of moral, material, and monetary support to "rebel groups" that seek to destabilize and overthrow regimes that seek to harm our position in the world. Example of the latter is aid to the Polish Solidarity movement.

**LoungeMachine** · 02-13-2005, 09:18 PM

Thanks VC

**Nickdfresh** · 02-13-2005, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by Vivian Campbell
To me, a Conservative is some who:

Supports a Reaganite foreign policy that includes a large military, robust weaponry, and allotment of moral, material, and monetary support to "rebel groups" that seek to destabilize and overthrow regimes that seek to harm our position in the world. Example of the latter is aid to the Polish Solidarity movement.

And turning thy cheek and running the other way to bomb Libya when you know it was Iranian Agents that blew 300 of your Marines to high Heaven.

Let's not get caught up in our pseudo-Reagan Utopia BS.

Yes I respect Buchanan's views regarding Neo Con's, but I reject his over-simplifications and revisionist pigeon-holing of the ideological constructs he points too.

And make no mistake, Neo Con's are NOT liberals, though they embody a pseudo-idealism associated with liberalism.

Or I should say that Neo Cons are hypocritical radical conservatives that mask their true intentions and objectives into a liberalesque, phoney moral rational to justify death and mayhem on a grand scale. Wilson at least had a utopian view (though foolish and flawed) of progressive improvement of the world whereas pricks like Bush, Cheney, and Rummy could care less about the spreading of 'democracy' they pay lip service too.

**Warham** · 02-13-2005, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I'm a Republican and I thought Clinton was grate'!

Ahhh...the good old days of budget surpluses.

Yep, and our national debt kept rising through all 8 years.

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