Secretly Recorded Bush Interviews From 1998

[Warham]

OD, Christians read the Bible. The Bible doesn't condone the gay lifestyle. That's how we get around to believing it to be unacceptable. Unacceptable to God.

Hey, I'm not telling you who to sleep with. If you want to fuck another man, go ahead. I'm just telling you I don't accept it as a good thing.

Powertrip? I'm hardly a person who's on a powertrip. Ask my old lady.

I'm just telling you what Christians believe, OD. No reason to have a fit about it. Like I said, if you or anyone else wants to engage in the gay lifestyle, go ahead. You don't need God's permission.

[Warham]

My authority is Jesus Christ, by the way. He might not be yours, but he's mine.

George Bush isn't selling me out. I voted for him despite what he could or couldn't do for faith issues. The bigger picture is what I'm about. As long as he puts conservative Supreme Court justices in, and nothing else, I'm happy.

[Wayne L.]

Don't bother with this wasted mind so called cutting me down because he's a loser without a thought & without a life. BTW, what do you think about those tapes of President Bush ODShowtime?

[Cathedral]

Why is all of this so predominant in our world today?
Because the time grows short and the day of reckoning is upon us.

All of this has been foretold in the bible, and as much as we all would like to place the blame for it all on a human face, that is a futile attempt at denying the truth.

We just have to be, as individuals, wise in who we stand behind.
We have to seek the only path for eternal life and that is the path of Jesus Christ.
I don't fear any of this though because what is on the other side of these great battles, trials and tribulations is a neverending peace in the Kingdom of Heaven.

The true believer is waiting patiently for this to come, they welcome it, and i hope to reach a point where i welcome it also, before the time is at hand.
It is spiritual suicide for any believer to "accept" that which is immoral as an alternative lifestyle, because there isn't an alternative lifesdtyle, all there is is Jesus Christ and without him you will be destroyed along with Satan.
It isn't anymore complicated than that.

It's Final Jeopardy for mankind.
And your soul is what is wagered, are you sure about your answer?

If not, pick up the bible and pray that God may give you the understanding you need to be sure.
Satan is sure of one thing, the non-believer belongs to him and no amount of spin will save your soul for betting it all that Jesus will not return, and return soon.

Look around, Everything you heard in church as a child is coming to pass. only a fool turns a blind eye to it all.

God loves all of his children, the believer and non-believer alike. He doesn't want to see any harm come to any of his children.
But he gave each and every one of us a choice to make.

Choose Wisely, and May God Bless Us All!

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Warham
I'm just telling you what Christians believe, OD. No reason to have a fit about it. Like I said, if you or anyone else wants to engage in the gay lifestyle, go ahead. You don't need God's permission.

I'm just telling you that as a true Christain, you should know you cannot judge anyone. Humans have no business judging other humans about their lifestyles as long as they don't hurt others.

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Wayne L.
Don't bother with this wasted mind so called cutting me down because he's a loser without a thought & without a life. BTW, what do you think about those tapes of President Bush ODShowtime?

I'm disappointed myself. They don't say anything new. It just confirms that he planned to pander to the religious right. No surprise there, it's just funny to see it come out in print.

I'm not outraged or happy or anything. It's not a big deal to me. The Jeff Gannon thing is way more important and hence received much less coverage.

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
I'm just telling you that as a true Christain, you should know you cannot judge anyone. Humans have no business judging other humans about their lifestyles as long as they don't hurt others.

Excellent Post!

Let me add that if anyone calling themselves Christians runs around laying judgement on people, they had better be perfect and without sin, or judgement will surely come your way with a higher penalty.

"Judge Not, Lest Ye Be Judged"

That job belongs to God, and he doesn't like his toes stepped on.

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Cathedral
"Judge Not, Lest Ye Be Judged"

Exactly. I get PISSED when people judge me. My boss pulled that shit and you can ask her how that turned out.

[Warham]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
I'm just telling you that as a true Christain, you should know you cannot judge anyone. Humans have no business judging other humans about their lifestyles as long as they don't hurt others.

Did I say I judged them, OD. That's for Jesus to decide if they go onto the next life. Not me.

So, by your reckoning, if I have a closs family member who's on crack cocaine and drinks hard liquor every night, even though he's not hurting everybody else, I shouldn't say it's wrong? I mean, I have no business as a human to tell somebody they are doing something wrong, right?

[Cathedral]

My own Mother is guilty of this, she judges everything i do. It is only that now that i am emersed in the word of God, she tries to correct me with her own ideas that aren't supported by scripture.

All we can do is pray for them, and tell them that when they begin judging.

The biggest lie of Christianity is the one most Christians tell themselves, that they are better than you and must do everything possible to bring you in.
What they forget is that they are to be humbled before the Lord and give ALL glory to him.
I fear that they are trying to reach a quota in heaven that doesn't exist, and this idea serves only to wreck one's salvation.

God gave us all a choice, he didn't beat us over the head with scripture and no man has a right to empower themselves to do the same thing.
That is just another form of spiritual suicide.

Jesus preached to those that listened and those that did not, but he never forced his teachings on anyone...Free Will, a beautiful thing, but also a dangerous thing.

We decide for ourselves.

[Warham]

Is It Right to Judge?
-by Franklin C. Huling, MA
©Fundamental Evangelistic Association

THIS QUESTION- "IS IT RIGHT TO JUDGE?" is one that puzzles many sincere Christians. A careful and open minded study of the Bible makes it clear that concerning certain vital matters, it is not only right but a positive duty to judge. Many do not know that the Scripture commands us to judge. The Lord Jesus Christ commanded, "Judge righteous judgment" (John 7:24). He told a man, "Thou hast rightly judged" (Luke 7:43). To others, our Lord asked, "Why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?" (Luke 12:57).

The Apostle Paul wrote, "I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say" (1 Corinthians 10:15). Again, Paul declared, "He that is spiritual judgeth all things" (1 Corinthians 2:15). It is our positive duty to judge.

False Teachers and False Teaching
"Beware of false prophets!" (Matthew 7:15) is the warning and command of our Lord. But how could we "beware" and how could we know they are "false prophets" if we did not judge? And what is the God given standard by which we are to judge? " To the Law and to the Testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." (Isaiah 8:20). "Ye shall know them by their fruits" (Matthew 7:16), Christ said. And in judging the "fruits," we must judge by God's Word, not by what appeals to human reasoning. Many things seem good to human judgment which are false to the Word of God.

The Apostle Paul admonished believers, "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple" (Romans 16:17-18). This apostolic command could not be obeyed were it not right to judge. God wants us to know His Word and then test all teachers and teaching by it. Notice also that it is the false teachers who make the "divisions," and not those who protest against their false teaching. And these deceivers are not serving Christ, as they profess, "but their own belly," or their own "bread and butter," as we would put it. We are to "mark them and avoid them."

"Come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord" (2 Corinthians 6:17, read verses 14-18). and "From such turn away." (2 Timothy 3:5). "Withdraw yourselves" (2 Thessalonians 3:6). "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them " (Ephesians 5:1 1). "Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good" (Romans 12:9). "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good" (1 Thessalonians 5:21). It would be impossible to obey these injunctions of God's Word unless it were right to judge! And remember, nothing is "good" in God's sight that is not true to His Word.

The Apostle John wrote, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try [test, judge] the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world " ( 1 John 4:1 ) . Again he wrote, "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.... If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds" (2 John 7,10-11). This Scripture commands us to judge between those who do, and those who do not bring the true doctrine of Christ.

Whenever a child of God contributes to a denominational budget that supports Modernist (liberal, compromising) missionaries or teachers, he is guilty before God, according to this Scripture, of bidding them, "God speed " in the most effective way possible. And he thereby becomes a "partaker" with them of their "evil deeds" of spreading soul damning poison. How terrible, but how true! Arouse yourself, child of God. If you are guilty, ask God to forgive you and help you never again to be guilty of the blood of souls for whom Christ died. When we are willing to suffer for Christ, we can readily see the truth of God's Word on this tremendously important matter. "If we suffer, we shall also reign with Him" (2 Timothy 2:12) .

Misunderstood and Misused Scripture
One of the best known and most misunderstood and misapplied Scriptures is "Judge not" (Matthew 7:1). Let us examine the entire passage:

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye" (Matthew 7:1-5).

Read this again carefully. Notice that it is addressed to a hypocrite!-not to those who sincerely want to discern whether a teacher or teaching is true or false to God's Word. And instead of being a prohibition against honest judgment, it is a solemn warning against hypocritical judgment. In fact, the last statement of this Scripture commands sincere judgment-"Then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." If we take a verse or a part of a verse out of its setting, we can make the Word of God appear to teach the very opposite of what it really does teach. And those who do this cannot escape the judgment of God for twisting His Word (2 Peter 3:16). Let this be a warning to us never again to take a text of Scripture out of its context.

Many who piously quote, "Judge not," out of its context, in order to defend that which is false to God's Word, do not see their own inconsistency in thus judging those who would obey God's Word about judging that which is untrue to the Bible. It is tragic that so much that is anti-Scriptural has undeservedly found shelter behind a misuse of the Scripture just quoted. The reason the professed church of Christ is today honeycombed and paralyzed by satanic Modernism is because Christians have not obeyed the commands of God's Word to judge and put away and separate from false teachers and false teaching when they first appeared in their midst. Physical health is maintained by separation from disease germs. Spiritual health is maintained by separation from germs of false doctrine. The greatest peril of our day is not too much judging, but too little judging of spiritual falsehood.

God wants His children to be like the noble Bereans who "searched the Scriptures daily, whether those things were so"(Acts 17:11).

Romans 2:1-3 is also addressed to the religious hypocrite who condemned himself because he was guilty of the same things for which he condemned others. James 4:11-12 refers to an evil spirit of backbiting and fault finding, not to judging whether teachers or teachings agree or disagree with God's Word. The Bible never contradicts itself. To understand one portion of Scripture we must view it in the light of all Scripture. "No prophecy of the Scripture is of any private [isolated] interpretation" (2 Peter 1:20). "Comparing spiritual things [words] with spiritual" (1 Corinthians 2:13).

The "Wheat and Tares" parable of Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43, is much misunderstood. First of all, our Lord is talking about the world, not His Church-"the field is the world." He goes on to say that "the good seed are the children of the Kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one" (Matthew 13:38) . They are the two groups in the world; children of God-those who have received Christ (John 1:12), and the children of the devil-those who reject Christ (John 8:44). When any of the "children of the wicked one" get into the professed church of Christ, as they have always done, a definite procedure for God's children is set forth in His Word. First, it is their duty to tell them that they have "neither part nor lot" in Christ (see Acts 8:21-23 and context).

If the children of the devil do not leave voluntarily, as is generally the case, God's children are commanded to "purge out" (1 Corinthians 5:7) these unbelievers. But God's people have disobeyed His Word about this, and so unbelievers [and disobedient brethren- 2 Thessalonians 3:6,14-15] have gotten into control, as is now the case in most denominations. Therefore, those who purpose to be true to Christ and His Word are commanded to "come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord" (2 Corinthians 6:17), regardless of property or any other considerations. When we obey God's Word, we can trust Him to take care of all the consequences of our obedience.

Other Matters to be Judged
The immoral conduct of professed believers in Christ is to be judged. 1 Corinthians, Chapter 5, tells a sad story and closes with the Apostolic injunction, "Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person" (1 Corinthians 5:13).

Disputes between Christians concerning "things that pertain to this life," (1 Corinthians 6:3) should be judged by a tribunal of fellow Christians instead of going before unbelievers in the civil courts. The whole sixth chapter of 1 Corinthians makes clear God's plan for His people in this regard. And some startling truths are here revealed: First, "The saints shall judge the world." Second, "We shall judge angels" (1 Corinthians 6:2-3). Beloved, are we letting God prepare us for this high place?

We ought to judge ourselves. "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves" (2 Corinthians 13:5). "For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened [child trained] of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world" (1 Corinthians 11:31-32). What a change and what a blessing it would be if we would judge our own faults as uncharitably as we do the faults of others-and if we would judge the failings of others as charitably as we do our own! And Christians could save themselves much chastening of the Lord if they would judge and confess and cease their disobedience to God. And, oh, how much dishonor and lack of fruit would our blessed Lord be spared!

Limitations of Human Judgment
Not scruples or conscience concerning matters of which the Bible does not directly speak. God forbids our judging our brethren concerning the eating of certain kinds of food, keeping of days, etc. Romans, Chapter 14, 1 Corinthians 10:23-33, and Colossians 2:16-17 cover this subject.

Not motives. See 1 Corinthians 4:1-5. Only God can see into the heart and know the motives that underlie actions.

Not as to whom are saved. "The Lord knoweth them that are His" (2 Timothy 2:19). We cannot look into anyone's heart and say whether or not they have accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour, if they profess that they have. But we had better test ourselves according to 2 Corinthians 5:17: "If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." If this change has not taken place, our profession is vain.

Two Elements in Judgment
The New Testament Greek word that is most often translated "judge" or "judgment" is "krino." On the one hand, it means to distinguish, to decide, to determine, to conclude, to try, to think and to call in question. That is what God wants His children to do as to whether preachers, teachers and their teachings are true or false to His Word. The Apostle Paul writes: "And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment; that ye may approve things that are excellent" (Philippians 1:9-10). A wrong idea of love and lack of knowledge and judgment causes God's people often to approve things that are anything but excellent in God's sight. The epistle to the Hebrews tells us that mature believers, that is, those who are of "full age, " are ". .. those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil " (see Hebrews 5:11-14).

On the other hand, the Greek word "krino"-judge or judgment-means to condemn, to sentence and to punish. This is God's prerogative for He has said, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay, saith the Lord" (Romans 12:19).

Guard Against a Wrong Attitude
Christians should guard against the tendency of the flesh to assume a critical and censorious attitude toward those who do not share our opinions about other matters than those which have to do with Bible doctrine and moral conduct. Rather than "pick to pieces" our brethren in Christ, it is our privilege and duty to do everything we can to encourage their spiritual edification. We ought to love and pray for one another and consider ourselves lest we be tempted. Galatians 6:1.

A Final Word
If you are saved, my reader, let us not forget that "We must all appear before the Judgment Seat of Christ" (2 Corinthians 5:10). It will be well with those who are studying God's Word, walking in the light of it, living for Christ and the salvation of souls. It will go ill with those who have accepted Christ but who are living for the things of this world. If you are a mere professor of Christ, or profess nothing, my friend, may I lovingly remind you "That judgment must begin at the House of God; and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the Gospel?" (1 Peter 4:17).

Delay not another moment to ask God for Christ's sake to forgive your sins. Surrender your heart and will to the loving Saviour who died for you and rose again. Make Him the Lord of your life. Happy and blessed will you be, now and forever.

-by Franklin C. Huling, MA

"For there is some danger of falling into a soft and effeminate Christianity, under the plea of a lofty and ethereal theology. Christianity was born for endurance; not an exotic, but a hardy plant, braced by the keen wind; not languid, nor childish, nor cowardly. If walks with strong step and erect frame; it is kindly, but firm; it is gentle, but honest; it is calm, but not facile; obliging, but not imbecile; decided, but not churlish. It does not fear to speak the stern word of condemnation against error, nor to raise its voice against surrounding evils, under the pretext it is not of this world; it does not shrink from giving honest reproof, lest it come under the charge of displaying an unchristian spirit. It calls sin sin, on whomsoever it is found, and would rather risk the accusation of being actuated by a bad spirit than not discharge an explicit duty. Let us not. misjudge strong words used in honest controversy. Out of the heat a viper may come forth but we shake it off and feel no harm. The religion of both Old and New Testaments is marked by fervent outspoken testimonies against evil. To speak smooth things in such a case may be sentimentalism, but it is not Christianity. It is a betrayal of the cause of truth and righteousness. If anyone should be frank, manly, honest, cheerful (I do not say blunt or rude, for a Christian must be courteous and polite); it is he who has tasted that the Lord is gracious, and is looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God I know that charity covereth a multitude of sins; but it does not call evil good, because a good man has done it; it does not excuse inconsistencies, because the inconsistent brother has a high name and a fervent spirit; crookedness and worldliness are still crookedness and worldliness, though exhibited in one who seems to have reached no common height of attainment."

[academic punk]

Originally posted by Cathedral
Excellent Post!

Let me add that if anyone calling themselves Christians runs around laying judgement on people, they had better be perfect and without sin, or judgement will surely come your way with a higher penalty.

"Judge Not, Lest Ye Be Judged"

That job belongs to God, and he doesn't like his toes stepped on.

God has toes?

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by Warham
Did I say I judged them, OD. That's for Jesus to decide if they go onto the next life. Not me.

So, by your reckoning, if I have a closs family member who's on crack cocaine and drinks hard liquor every night, even though he's not hurting everybody else, I shouldn't say it's wrong? I mean, I have no business as a human to tell somebody they are doing something wrong, right?

There's nothing inherently wrong with drinking hard liquor and smoking crack every night.

Does that mean you want to limit the family member's rights under the law, rights that having nothing to do with his drug use?

[Warham]

OK, good, then you would let your family member continue.

I'd try to step in and help.

There's where the difference is.

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by Warham
Did I say I judged them, OD. That's for Jesus to decide if they go onto the next life. Not me.

So, by your reckoning, if I have a closs family member who's on crack cocaine and drinks hard liquor every night, even though he's not hurting everybody else, I shouldn't say it's wrong? I mean, I have no business as a human to tell somebody they are doing something wrong, right?

We are to pray for them, Warham.
We as Christians have to spread the good news, but must avoid getting angry or judgemental if they refuse to take the hand up.

If they reach for God, He will accept them, that is all they need to understand.
Show them the way, just don't try and push them along or it will backfire.

Another thing, arguing over this stuff amongst us is not helping any of us. the word is clear and everyone has access to the truth.

Prayer Changes Things!