Yaay!! Now You 30-Something Neo Con's Can Join The War on Terror!

[FORD]

Originally posted by Warham
My question to FORD was, and I made the point using a 70 year old.

Should ever man and woman who supports George Bush sign up for service? Women can join too, ya know.

It's a valid question, and I'd like you to answer.

Actually, yes I believe they should.

If you believe that the BCE and PNAC are correct in sending someone else's kids to die in a country which never threatened us, and was incapable of threatening us, then you should be willing to go yourself.

And if all you red state Busheep signed up, you would either figure out soon that the BCE lied, or you would be killed. Either way the neocons days would be numbered, and that would be good for America

[Warham]

I believe Iraq threatened other countries, and I believe the world is a safer place now.

Sue me.

Now, if Bush tightens up the border, I'll feel even better.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Warham
I believe Iraq threatened other countries, and I believe the world is a safer place now.

Sue me.

Now, if Bush tightens up the border, I'll feel even better.

I'll let Guitar Shark sue you. He's the lawyer. I'll just drag you down to the recruiter and make sure you sign on the dotted line :D

I do agree with the border thing though. And the seaports. That's what they should have done in the first fucking place.

[Big Train]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
No you don't, you pay them lip service. That is not support!

You know this how? By our relatively meaningless conversation we have day after day? I support them fully and do all I can to help them (yes fucker, I donate to the VA, blood drives etc..).

Holier than thou? C,mon Nick, did you teach drama club today or something?

How are my analogies invalid? They are as whacked out as yours..pissing on our envoirnment, taking jobs away, and stealing intellectual property aren't vital to the American people?

What the soliders do is incredibly brave and important. I don't have an issue with what they do, you do. I understand that. However, an unintelligent premise, such as been shown in this thread, doesn't change anything or prove anything.

[Warham]

Originally posted by FORD
I'll let Guitar Shark sue you. He's the lawyer. I'll just drag you down to the recruiter and make sure you sign on the dotted line :D

I do agree with the border thing though. And the seaports. That's what they should have done in the first fucking place.

I get on Bush's ass about the border. There's no excuse to let all those people come flooding over the line. I don't blindly follow every one of his policies.

[FORD]

I'll bet Big Train would volunteer for Iraq if he knew about that huge MP3 stash they found on Hopalong Zarqawi's laptop

[Big Train]

I bet Ford would if Howard Dean said he was having regular town meetings there with free cookies

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Big Train
You know this how? By our relatively meaningless conversation we have day after day? I support them fully and do all I can to help them (yes fucker, I donate to the VA, blood drives etc..).

Good for you. But you could still serve in the Reserves or Nat'l Guard in homeland defense.

Holier than thou? C,mon Nick, did you teach drama club today or something?

No, but I read some Shakespeare yesterday.

How are my analogies invalid? They are as whacked out as yours..pissing on our envoirnment, taking jobs away, and stealing intellectual property aren't vital to the American people?

Intellectual property? Like when they play it on the radio for free? I don't and would not sell MP3's BTW, in fact I either legally download or buy the CD copy of the MP3's I like to, being an audiophile, get a superior copy of the music, just like I am buying the six-pack to get better quality CVH! The Harvard study discounted that little argument. Meat has superior amino acids to vegetable based protein. I had no idea you were a salad eater BT. :D And the guy you voted for is good at taking jobs away!

What the soliders do is incredibly brave and important. I don't have an issue with what they do, you do. I understand that. However, an unintelligent premise, such as been shown in this thread, doesn't change anything or prove anything.

True, our soldiers are courageous and all that, and this thread proves as 'bout as much as every other thread here does. But you can not so easily marginalize this "sunshine patriot" discussion. The premise is valid.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Big Train
I bet Ford would if Howard Dean said he was having regular town meetings there with free cookies

Nah, that's too long of a commute for just a town meeting. Hopefully the Doc will have streaming video. And someone can bring the cookies.

[Big Train]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Good for you. But you could still serve in the Reserves or Nat'l Guard in homeland defense.

Intellectual property? Like when they play it on the radio for free? I don't and would not sell MP3's BTW, in fact I either legally download or buy the CD copy of the MP3's I like to, being an audiophile, get a superior copy of the music, just like I am buying the six-pack to get better quality CVH! The Harvard study discounted that little argument. Meat has superior amino acids to vegetable based protein. I had no idea you were a salad eater BT. :D And the guy you voted for is good at taking jobs away!

True, our soldiers are courageous and all that, and this thread proves as 'bout as much as every other thread here does. But you can not so easily marginalize this "sunshine patriot" discussion. The premise is valid.

Nick, then why don't we go down and sign up together? You do believe in Homeland Defense right? Pick me up in the AM..we can sign up, then get tats that support our position. Then we can start working border patrol..

Your music arguments are ALWAYS simpleminded and naive, which amuse me a great deal. However, in order to keep this thread on track, let's take that expanded discussion to the House of Music. BTW, the Harvard study is based on so many faulty premises I don't know where to begin..

The "Sunshine Patriot" argument is only valid if you accept my analogies, which follow a similar logic. You have to accept the logic in order to accept the argument, whether or not your think my examples are silly.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Big Train
Nick, then why don't we go down and sign up together? You do believe in Homeland Defense right? Pick me up in the AM..we can sign up, then get tats that support our position. Then we can start working border patrol..

I served my time. Besides, is sending the National Guard and Reserves to Iraq really homeland defense?

Your music arguments are ALWAYS simpleminded and naive, which amuse me a great deal. However, in order to keep this thread on track, let's take that expanded discussion to the House of Music. BTW, the Harvard study is based on so many faulty premises I don't know where to begin..

None of those "faulty premises" of the Harvard study are "simple-minded." Actually, you record exec's amuse me. Sales of CD's rose sharply last year yet you still cry poverty. Stop losing money on Titney Spears in order to have a markee brand. And come out with a new recording format with lossless audio, CD tech. sucks and is over 20 years old now. Come out with a new format, and people will have to rebuy there entire catalogue again, like they did in the early 80's, which is the real reason why sales were much higher then!

The "Sunshine Patriot" argument is only valid if you accept my analogies, which follow a similar logic. You have to accept the logic in order to accept the argument, whether or not your think my examples are silly.

That's your opinion. Just because you don't like this thread, doesn't make it any less valid!

[Big Train]

Like I said Nick, when it comes to music stuff, your ALWAYS good for a laugh:

THE WEEKLY VIGIL: In today’s music biz, any good news is welcome, no matter how puny. So let’s whip up a batch of mimosa cocktails to celebrate the news that the market actually turned out to be up a gratifying 1% over last week. The grand total was 10.9 million units, compared to 10.8 million last week. On the other hand,_said total was off 3.5% (or 396k units) from the same week last year. So far in 2005, business is down 8.6%, on 122.5 million units. On second thought, hold the mimosas.

GLOBAL SALES FLAT: The IFPI released a report on 2004 global music sales today, saying that an increase of sales of music-video DVDs, combined with increased download sales, served to offset a small decline in hard-format sales, leaving results for the year flat. In dollar-value terms, hard-format sales shrank by 1.3% for the year, to $33.6 billion from $34.1 billion in 2003. But music DVDs rose 23% to $2.6 billion, while downloads saw ten-fold increases in the U.S., U.K., France and Germany, to over 200 million for the year. "The picture is very mixed, with online and physical piracy continuing to depress sales in major markets, particularly in Continental Europe and parts of Asia," the report states. But even so, 2004 showed "the best year-on-year trend for global music sales in five years." (3/22a)

It isn't my opinion, Nick. If you don't agree with the logic in my examples, your actually disagreeing with yourself. It's like saying 2-1=1, except in the example of 9-8, which equals 3. That isn't opinion, that's logic...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Big Train
Like I said Nick, when it comes to music stuff, your ALWAYS good for a laugh:

THE WEEKLY VIGIL: In today’s music biz, any good news is welcome, no matter how puny. So let’s whip up a batch of mimosa cocktails to celebrate the news that the market actually turned out to be up a gratifying 1% over last week. The grand total was 10.9 million units, compared to 10.8 million last week. On the other hand,_said total was off 3.5% (or 396k units) from the same week last year. So far in 2005, business is down 8.6%, on 122.5 million units. On second thought, hold the mimosas.

GLOBAL SALES FLAT: The IFPI released a report on 2004 global music sales today, saying that an increase of sales of music-video DVDs, combined with increased download sales, served to offset a small decline in hard-format sales, leaving results for the year flat. In dollar-value terms, hard-format sales shrank by 1.3% for the year, to $33.6 billion from $34.1 billion in 2003. But music DVDs rose 23% to $2.6 billion, while downloads saw ten-fold increases in the U.S., U.K., France and Germany, to over 200 million for the year. "The picture is very mixed, with online and physical piracy continuing to depress sales in major markets, particularly in Continental Europe and parts of Asia," the report states. But even so, 2004 showed "the best year-on-year trend for global music sales in five years." (3/22a)

It isn't my opinion, Nick. If you don't agree with the logic in my examples, your actually disagreeing with yourself. It's like saying 2-1=1, except in the example of 9-8, which equals 3. That isn't opinion, that's logic...

We're getting a little off track with the music stuff here. But I believe that I referenced "last year's" sales in THIS country since I'm an American. And the industry report fails to mention Mp3's as a sole source of this decline. Could it be that the world economy is flat right now?

And I am with you on the piracy thing, making counterfit items is a totally different ballgame. I reject the likening of it to online downloading. But I do think the Chinese should be held accountable for their pirate industries which they basically permit. Making lessor quality, defective goods is something else! I know that MP3's are of inferior quality already!

Nice attempt at sophist jujitsu, but your arguments are far from logical and are merely an attempt to distract from the central thesis. You contradicted yourself in regards to "my-opinion...logic" also.

[Big Train]

Numbnuts,

2004 WAS last year, which is what those numbers refer to. If the world economy is indeed flat right now, how do you explain the last 5 years of decline? Like I said, let's take this to the House of Music if you care to.

Please do tell me how I have contradicted myself.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Big Train
Numbnuts,

2004 WAS last year, which is what those numbers refer to. If the world economy is indeed flat right now, how do you explain the last 5 years of decline? Like I said, let's take this to the House of Music if you care to.

Please do tell me how I have contradicted myself.

Read updated, previous post. I don't have time to go to the house of music, I'm already inflating my post count enough today anyways. I wasn't talking about counterfit world piracy, occuring mainly in China, that's a horse of a differnet color! Though I notice your mag takes pains to liken the two together.