Bin Laden Avoided Capture at Tora Bora

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  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49567

    Bin Laden Avoided Capture at Tora Bora

    Maybe if we sent some more troops to Afghanistan at the time, instead of holding them in reserve for Iraq, we would have gotten the cunt?! Nice job Dubya!

    Bin Laden Evaded U.S. Forces
    Document Says U.S. Holding al-Qaida Leader Who Helped Bin Laden Escape Tora Bora Attack


    By ROBERT BURNS
    The Associated PressThe Associated Press

    WASHINGTON Mar 23, 2005 — A commander for Osama bin Laden during Afghanistan's war with the Soviet Union who helped the al-Qaida leader escape American forces at Tora Bora is being held by U.S. authorities, a government document says.

    The document represents the first definitive statement from the Pentagon that bin Laden, the mastermind of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, was at Tora Bora and evaded his pursuers.

    President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney asserted during the presidential election that commanders did not know whether bin Laden was at Tora Bora when U.S. and allied Afghan forces attacked there in December 2001. They dismissed assertions by Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic presidential nominee, that the military had missed a chance to capture or kill bin Laden while al-Qaida made a last stand in the mountainous area along the Pakistan border.

    The document, provided to The Associated Press in response to a Freedom of Information request, says the detainee held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, "assisted in the escape of Osama bin Laden from Tora Bora." While not identified by name or nationality, he is described as being "associated with" al-Qaida and having called for a holy war against the United States.

    In an indication that he might be a higher-level operative, the document says the detainee "had bodyguards" and collaborated with regional al-Qaida leadership. "The detainee was one of Osama bin Laden's commanders during the Soviet jihad," it says, referring to the holy war against Soviet occupiers in the 1980s.

    The document is what the Pentagon calls a "summary of evidence" and was presented against one of 558 prisoners at Guantanamo Bay on Dec. 14 for a hearing to determine whether the prisoner was correctly held as an "enemy combatant." The assertion about his efforts and bin Laden's escape is made as a statement of fact; it does not indicate how the information was obtained.

    Navy Lt. Cmdr. Daryl Borgquist, a spokesman for the Combatant Status Review Board for which the document was prepared, said Tuesday he could not elaborate on the Tora Bora statement, or its sources, because the statement was derived from classified...

    In mid-December 2001, a spokesman for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Rear Adm. John Stufflebeem, told reporters there had been "indicators" of bin Laden's presence at Tora Bora in early December. "And now indicators are not there," Stufflebeem said. "So maybe he still is there, maybe he was killed, or maybe he's left."

    While campaigning for president last fall, Kerry said Bush had erred in relying on Afghan warlords to hunt down bin Laden in the caves of Tora Bora in December 2001, contending on Oct. 22 that the president had "outsourced" the job.

    Cheney said Oct. 26 that Gen. Tommy Franks, the commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, had "stated repeatedly it was not at all certain that bin Laden was in Tora Bora. He might have been there or in Pakistan or even Kashmir," the Indian-controlled Himalayan region.

    Franks, now retired, wrote in an opinion column in The New York Times on Oct. 19, "We don't know to this day whether Mr. bin Laden was at Tora Bora in December 2001." He added that intelligence assessments of his location varied, but bin Laden was "never within our grasp."

    On several occasions Bush cited the column as evidence that bin Laden could have been in any of several countries in December 2001. "That's what Tommy Franks, who knew what he's talking about, said," Bush said on Oct. 27.

    Bin Laden remains at large. For many months, officials have said they believe he probably is hiding in the Afghan-Pakistan border region. Last week Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, declined to endorse that view, saying bin Laden's whereabouts are unknown.

    Among documents stating the U.S. government's evidence against other detainees at Guantanamo Bay is a September 2004 assertion that an unidentified detainee, described as a member of al-Qaida, had traveled from the United States to Afghanistan in November 2001 two months after the terrorist attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.

    The document does not elaborate on the detainee's U.S. connection but says he arrived in Afghanistan via Bahrain and Iran. He was "present at Tora Bora," crossed the Afghan border into Pakistan in December 2001, and surrendered to Pakistani authorities, the document says.

    The detainee also was arrested by Saudi authorities for questioning in the 1996 terrorist bombing of Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia that killed 19 members of the U.S. Air Force, the document says.



    Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
    Last edited by Nickdfresh; 03-23-2005, 02:35 PM.
  • Warham
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Mar 2004
    • 14589

    #2
    I agree with the respected general, Tommy Franks, a man who has served our country through many administrations, Democrat and Republican.

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    • FORD
      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

      • Jan 2004
      • 59643

      #3
      I wonder if Franks' sudden retirement had anything to do with his experience in Afghanistan. Maybe he realized how the BCE used him, and he wanted out before he got stuck with the even bigger scam of Iraq.
      Eat Us And Smile

      Cenk For America 2024!!

      Justice Democrats


      "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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      • Warham
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Mar 2004
        • 14589

        #4
        He's said nothing but lovely things about Bush, something he hasn't had to do.

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        • BigBadBrian
          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
          • Jan 2004
          • 10625

          #5
          Originally posted by Warham
          I agree with the respected general, Tommy Franks, a man who has served our country through many administrations, Democrat and Republican.
          Although he served honorably under many Administrations, he retired under Bush, Warham. Using Liberal logic, he's a BCE operative.
          “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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          • Warham
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Mar 2004
            • 14589

            #6
            Oh yeahhhhh. Thanks for setting me straight on that, Brian.

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            • DLR'sCock
              Crazy Ass Mofo
              • Jan 2004
              • 2937

              #7
              look Bin Laden is more useful to Bush alive and running and planning to kill...
              Last edited by DLR'sCock; 03-23-2005, 06:17 PM.

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              • BigBadBrian
                TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                • Jan 2004
                • 10625

                #8
                Originally posted by DLR'sCock
                look Bin Laden is more useful to Bush alive and running and palnning to kill...
                Maybe before the election, Cock, but now I think his capture would be the feather in Bush's cap for his second term. Zarqawi and others are on the loose to take bin Laden's place anyway. That's the structure of al-Qaeda...no one is irreplaceable.

                We'll see.
                “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                • Warham
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 14589

                  #9
                  According to some wacked-out conspiracy theorists, the BCE already have him in custody, and are going to reveal that just before the 2004 elections, so Bush wins in a landslide.

                  ...

                  Oops, guess that conspiracy didn't pan out, did it? But the end result was the same.

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                  • DLR'sCock
                    Crazy Ass Mofo
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 2937

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Warham
                    According to some wacked-out conspiracy theorists, the BCE already have him in custody, and are going to reveal that just before the 2004 elections, so Bush wins in a landslide.

                    ...

                    Oops, guess that conspiracy didn't pan out, did it? But the end result was the same.

                    Hmmm they were close, the FRIDAY around 5pm EST, b4 the election, Bin Laden makes a big threat that is REVEALED to the nation on everyones Tele for all to see, and is the last big story of the weekend and everyone forgets abotu the FBI probe into Halliburton and Cheney..... ....that predictably gains the outcome it intended...

                    Bush is good for Bin Laden, as Bin Laden is good for Bush...


                    If you think for one minute that members of the Bin Laden family don't communicate with Osama...then you are truly Naive....


                    the Bush family and the Bin Laden family have a 30 year business/friendship relationship....do you really think all ties are 100% cut off???

                    and life moves on....

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                    • Guitar Shark
                      ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 7579

                      #11
                      Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                      Maybe before the election, Cock, but now I think his capture would be the feather in Bush's cap for his second term.
                      That would be a dunce cap, I presume.
                      ROTH ARMY MILITIA


                      Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
                      Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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                      • ODShowtime
                        ROCKSTAR

                        • Jun 2004
                        • 5812

                        #12
                        Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                        Although he served honorably under many Administrations, he retired under Bush, Warham. Using Liberal logic, he's a BCE operative.
                        Franks wasn't advocating the war, only doing his duty as a soldier. Big difference there sparky.
                        gnaw on it

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                        • Nickdfresh
                          SUPER MODERATOR

                          • Oct 2004
                          • 49567

                          #13
                          In any case, the fox slipped out of the hen house while farmer Dubya was waxing the old ladies muff!

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                          • ODShowtime
                            ROCKSTAR

                            • Jun 2004
                            • 5812

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                            In any case, the fox slipped out of the hen house while farmer Dubya was waxing the old ladies muff!
                            I don't know Nick... gw looks like the type that's never had a taste of honey...
                            gnaw on it

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                            • BigBadBrian
                              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 10625

                              #15
                              Originally posted by ODShowtime
                              I don't know Nick... gw looks like the type that's never had a taste of honey...
                              Exactly why you types won't get a chance at that Golden Honey in the Big White House for a looooong time with thoughts like that....sparky.
                              “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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