Bin Laden Avoided Capture at Tora Bora

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Exactly why you types won't get a chance at that Golden Honey in the Big White House for a looooong time with thoughts like that....sparky.

I guess only cocksuckers can get into the White House nowadays, huh BigBadBlunder?

In any case, with all due respect to the General who was given very limited US resources, Ret. Gen. Tommy Franks is an ass-covering yes man. Osama's inner-circle just bribed his way out of there. We dropped the ball on that one, plain and simple.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I guess only cocksuckers can get into the White House nowadays, huh BigBadBlunder?

How noble of you to come to the rescue of your "special friend" there, Nick.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
How noble of you to come to the rescue of your "special friend" there, Nick.

[Nickdfresh]

Document suggests bin Laden escaped at Tora Bora
Military brief appears to contradict past Pentagon statements

From Mike Mount
CNN

Thursday, March 24, 2005 Posted: 10:56 PM EST (0356 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A document from the U.S. military appears to contradict the Pentagon's previous statements that it does not know whether al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden escaped U.S. forces at Tora Bora in Afghanistan in December 2001.

The legal document, which summarizes evidence against a terror suspect in U.S. custody at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, states the prisoner "assisted in the escape of Usama Bin Laden from Tora Bora."

There is no date or time frame given.

Originally released after a Freedom of Information Act request by The Associated Press, the document is now on the Pentagon Web site. Who wrote it and what level of information that person had is unclear.

The document is dated December 14, 2004. It is part of what the U.S. military calls Combatant Status Review Boards, a process to determine whether a detainee is an enemy combatant and should continue to be held or if he should be released.

Pentagon officials would not discuss the information in the document and the numerous others released with it, saying the statements were generated from classified information.

Neither the prisoner's name or nationality was disclosed. In the document, he is said to be associated with al Qaeda and the Taliban, and is described as having had bodyguards at one point, indicating he may have been of some importance.

The document also says the detainee was a commander for bin Laden during the Afghan fight against the Soviet occupation in the 1980s, and at some point called for a jihad, or holy war, against the United States.

Other evidence cited against the detainee states the person organized at least one rocket attack against U.S. troops and supported others.

The December 2001 siege of Tora Bora, aimed at killing or capturing bin Laden, has been hotly debated. U.S. military commanders have repeatedly said they didn't know if bin Laden was in the region or if he got away.

At a Pentagon news conference during the 2001 manhunt, Rear Adm. John Stufflebeem told reporters: "I'm not sure how close we ever really have been. We have narrowed it down to an area. Indicators were there, and now indicators are not there. So maybe he still is here, maybe he was killed, or maybe he's left."

The matter surfaced again during the 2004 presidential campaign. (Full story)

Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry repeatedly asserted that President Bush let bin Laden escape by using Afghan forces instead of American troops against al Qaeda in Tora Bora.

In an October 2004 opinion article in The New York Times, Gen. Tommy Franks wrote, "We don't know to this day whether Mr. bin Laden was at Tora Bora in December 2001. Some intelligence sources said he was; others indicated he was in Pakistan at the time."

Franks was the commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan at the time.

"Tora Bora was teeming with Taliban and Qaeda operatives ... but Mr. bin Laden was never within our grasp," wrote Franks, who retired in 2003 and backed Bush in the election.

[Hardrock69]

Well, hey...if Bin Laden was DEAD, then the Bush administration would have no "enemy" to use in their propaganda.

Look, in WWI it was the Germans. In WWII it was the Germans AND the Japanese.

Those were REAL enemies! They were trying to kill us!

In the Cold War, we never were actually at War with the Soviet Union.

Both the Korean conflict and the Vietnam Police Action were creations of the CIA (known as the OSS back in WWII). Korea and Vietnam were planned out before WWII was even over.

After Vietnam, the next real conflict we had was Desert Storm.

And then there is the current thing. However, we might not be in Iraq today if it were not for 9/11.

Look at it this wway...up until now our enemies have been actual COUNTRIES. Our enemy has always been an easily identifiable place, with citizenry and an army.

Now, with TERRORISTS, the US Government has a perfect excuse to wage war on whomever it wants, even the American people (you could say our erosion of civil liberties as a result of this is waging war on Americans in a secondary fashion).

Ok...now TERRORISTS are the enemy. Where are they? Nobody knows!
So let's just wage ware on ANYONE WE WANT! All we have to do is claim they have "ties" to TERRORISTS, and the Bush administration will have us believe that is a valid excuse to invade any country we want.

We MUST DO THIS, or else the TERRORISTS will get us!

It is like stories that parents tell their kids...."Be good or the Boogeyman will getcha!"

Now, I am not saying there is no real threat from terrorists. And I am not saying that Saddamite Hussein was a nice guy...in fact I do not understand why they have not put a fucking bullet in his fucking head already.

HOWEVER, as long as Osama Bin laden is alive, the US Government will have a never-ending excuse to wage war on whomever the Bush Administration wants.

The articles above are just further proof that Bin Laden is a useful tool for the Bush Administration they use to further their own agenda (whatever that may be...like take away our civil liberties, etc.).

Funny, these motherfuckers are so loudly proclaiming that we need to tighten our border security, yet they REFUSE to seal our border with Mexico.

If they really wanted to do this, they could just hire Mexicans to build a wall from the Pacific to the Gulf Of Mexico, and cut out on all this illegal immigration crap.

THEN, they need to find ALL people who are in the United States illegally, and deport their fucking asses!!!

Yet the Bush Administration refuses to do so.

Oh well.

Back to work.