Was World War II Worth It?

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
I still would like to get Abdul Rahman Yasin who resided in wonderful Bagdad until recently.

We invade a country, kill up to 100,000 people, and suffer 1600+ dead for one guy that had nothing to do with 9/11?

Don't we have a Cuban terrorist residing in Miami?

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
We invade a country, kill up to 100,000 people, and suffer 1600+ dead for one guy that had nothing to do with 9/11?

Don't we have a Cuban terrorist residing in Miami?

Exactly! Especially considering Yasin was off the world´s "most wanted" list for years!

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
Stalin was worse to his own people in the beginning but I think that I would rather have lived in a communist Easter Europe than a Nazi one.

Hitler was just getting started.

Cheers!

Stalin was infatuated with Hitler. He "collected" the motherfucker. A veritable shrine.

Stalin's big-dogs secured Hitlers' body, and with more than a casual penchant for the macabre, planted and re-exhumed it several times in an effort to acquire the grand museum piece.

Stalin cried himself to sleep as the Third Reich collapsed from within. Shit, he sure got bitter and withdrawn...who the fuck pissed in his caviar?

Nothing like having a sand-bagging scheme nullified.

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
We invade a country, kill up to 100,000 people, and suffer 1600+ dead for one guy that had nothing to do with 9/11?

Don't we have a Cuban terrorist residing in Miami?

2001 was to finish the job that wasn't completed in 1993.

OBL's name was on the list of phone calls they made before and after the 93 attacks. So was Saddam's. The one guy fled and got exile in Iraq.

Maybe you think there isn't a tie there...

[FORD]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
We invade a country, kill up to 100,000 people, and suffer 1600+ dead for one guy that had nothing to do with 9/11?

Don't we have a Cuban terrorist residing in Miami?

A Cuban terrorist who quite possibly played a role in assasssinating a President of the United States, no less.

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
2001 was to finish the job that wasn't completed in 1993.

OBL's name was on the list of phone calls they made before and after the 93 attacks. So was Saddam's. The one guy fled and got exile in Iraq.

Maybe you think there isn't a tie there...

Sheep Alert!

The NeoCon fishing is getting ludicrous.

Everyone knows that the Muslim fundamentalists hated Iraq for being secular. I cunt believe you are still swallowing this...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
2001 was to finish the job that wasn't completed in 1993.

OBL's name was on the list of phone calls they made before and after the 93 attacks. So was Saddam's. The one guy fled and got exile in Iraq.

Maybe you think there isn't a tie there...

No. Just selective BS from Neo Con media outlets/think tanks that have lost all credibility.

[Warham]

LOL.

The only media outlets that have lost credibility are the liberal ones like CBS, ABS, and NBS.

I've never heard that FOX is under investigation for memos and the like.

Where is Bob Burkett when you need him?

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
LOL.

The only media outlets that have lost credibility are the liberal ones like CBS, ABS, and NBS.

I've never heard that FOX is under investigation for memos and the like.

Where is Bob Burkett when you need him?

No, you just vote for the liars.



And I believe that CBS's investigation was largely self-directed. FOX would would never admit they were wrong. They just parrot the press releases handed to them.

[lucky wilbury]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
No. Just selective BS from Neo Con media outlets/think tanks that have lost all credibility.

first off why don't you read up on the 1993 bombing trial and what came out in COURT about who was in on the first wtc attack second why don't you read up at http://www.fas.org/irp/world/iraq/956-tni.htm thats from 95/96 deals with what came out in court and oh by the way was written by a clinton advisor Laurie Mylroie

[lucky wilbury]

i also forgot to say for all of you who doubt that someone involved in the 93 wtc attack fled to iraq and has been there ever since read about it here its a little interview Abdul Rahman Yasin did from baghdad http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/...in510847.shtml or http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/i...iraq-wtc_x.htm or http://www2.indystar.com/library/fac...t11/yasin.html

maybe a pic or two will help



how about this one taken IN iraq by cbs when he gave them an interview:



still don't belive he's there?

[lucky wilbury]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
Sheep Alert!

The NeoCon fishing is getting ludicrous.

Everyone knows that the Muslim fundamentalists hated Iraq for being secular. I cunt believe you are still swallowing this...

yet hamas was more then willing to take saddams money for suicide bombings

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2846365.stm

Palestinians get Saddam funds


Iraq regularly parades volunteers to "liberate Palestine"
Saddam Hussein has paid out thousands of dollars to families of Palestinians killed in fighting with Israel.

Relatives of at least one suicide attacker as well as other militants and civilians gathered in a hall in Gaza City to receive cheques.

"Iraq and Palestine are in one trench. Saddam is a hero," read a banner over a picture of the Iraqi leader and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat at the ceremony.

With war looming in the Middle East, Palestinian speakers condemned the United States and Israel, which dismissed the ceremony as support for terrorism.

Saddam's payments
$10,000 per family
$25,000 for family of a suicide bomber
$35m paid since September 2000
PALF figures

One by one, at least 21 families came up to receive their cheques from the Palestinian Arab Liberation Front (PALF), a local pro-Iraq group.

A Hamas suicide bomber's family got $25,000 while the others - relatives of militants killed in fighting or civilians killed during Israeli military operations - all received $10,000 each.

Another banner in the hall described the cheques as the "blessings of Saddam Hussein" and PALF speakers extolled the Iraqi leader in fiery speeches.

"Saddam Hussein considers those who die in martyrdom attacks as people who have won the highest degree of martyrdom," said one.

The party estimated that Iraq had paid out $35m to Palestinian families since the current uprising began in September 2000.

Saddam's avowed support for the Palestinians, and his missile attacks on Israel during the Gulf War, have won him wide backing in the territories.

Saddam's 'kindness'

Israel condemned the Iraqi handouts as funding for terrorism.

"It shows that Saddam is involved in every activity that is terrorism and murderous and leads to instability in the Middle East," said Amira Oron, a spokeswoman for the Foreign Ministry.


Saddam is the only one that has stood with us

Tahseen Maghani
father of dead Hamas fighter

However, families at this week's ceremony said the money would be used to rebuild homes destroyed by Israel and bring up orphaned children.

"Saddam supports the families of the martyrs, not terrorism," said Ahmed Sabah, 69, whose son was killed by an Israeli missile strike in December.

"It is a shame that Arabs stand silent as America prepares to occupy Iraq."

Israel blamed Mr Sabah's son Mustafa for bomb attacks on three Israeli tanks which killed seven soldiers in 2002.

Tahseen Maghani, whose Hamas militant son Karam was killed trying to infiltrate the Jewish settlement of Netzarim, said he would use the money to plant crops and build a house.

"These are tough times for Saddam but his kindness will help us a lot," he said.

"Saddam is the only one that has stood with us."

Sabri Salama, a relative of two Palestinian teenagers killed in an Israeli air strike on Gaza in January, said America was "the chief terrorist state".

Ibrahim Zanen, a PALF spokesman, said he hoped the ceremony would not be the last.

[DrMaddVibe]

They can't fathom going down the rabbit hole to see how far it goes! The difference is we're not talking about Alice in Wonderland or The Matrix. We're talking about a global terrorist network. A network that was alive and well, thumbing their noses at primarily the US out of sheer hatred for Freedom and what we stand for. Need to know what we stand for? Here...http://www.endex.com/gf/buildings/li...nniversary.htm

Then there are those political Monday morning quarterbacks. The ones that don't have command of a team, fan base or even have licensed merchandise but they can do the job better from a playbook that doesn't exsist! It's pure playa hater at its best.

"The war on terror will have many fronts".

[Nickdfresh]

So let's see, invading Iraq, spending billions of dollars and getting tied down into a guerilla war, which will ultimately damage (if not destroy) the current formulation of the all-volunteer military as well as our economy, was a good idea based on:

A bombing that happened 12 years ago, and killed less than 20 people. Of course your articles from partisan sources will fail to mention to the other Busheep that under Clinton, the US was conducting a little bombing campaign of its own. I am sure we killed hundreds, maybe thousands, of Iraqi air defense personnel along with civilians due to "collateral damage." Not to mention sanctions in which killed 100,000's of Iraqis died as a result either directly or indirectly due to food shortages. Of course I will not exonerate SADDAM in all of this as others do, but we still contributed.

And then of course there is the war in which nearly 100,000 Iraqis perished no doubt. Many due to "shock and awe."

And as for the SADDAM paying suicide bombers to hit Israel, I did not realize that the U.S. military was an extension of the Israeli Defense Forces (although some in America's own fifth column, The Israeli Lobby might think so) The Israelis also bear some responsibility for the terrorism that befalls their own country. I mean they are not these historically innocent little victims.

Israelis did actually displace 700,000 Palestinians through ethnic cleansing in 1948-50...Did they not? Of course the Arabs just used them and never really gave a shit about them either.

I don't think the US and Israel had very good relations until the late 60's if I am not mistaken. And I think the Israelis are clearly ahead in the Israelis vs. Palestinian body count cuntest, at inflicting casualties. While suicide bombing is disgusting and horrifying tactic, and the Israeli Army does in fact attempt to avoid civilian casualties (in most cases), a dead Palestinian kid is just as horrible at the end of the day as a dead Jewish kid. No matter how they died. Some Americans and a few psychotic "religious" Israelis might disagree with that however.

Again, you Busheep see terrorism as some sort phenomena that happens for no particular reason, it comes out of a vacuum because people are just jealous of our freedom. This shows a fundamental lack of understanding of history (since the crusades), colonialism, and the blatant truth that we are not the totally innocent good guys in all this. Again, HUSSEIN was a bastard, and the world is better off without him (actually he's still here), his existence was largely a product of British (and European and even American) Imperialism. Three separate and distinct ethnic groups were patched together into one state. A very bad and prime example of what has happened the world over. Yes fascist despots have taken advantage of these facts since then, but we never would have noticed the tyranny of SADDAM had he not had large reserves of oil underneath his sand, and more importantly, in neighboring Kuwait.

Try addressing the root causes of terrorism, like recognizing that the Palestinians deserve a state too and Palestinian citizens should have the same security that Israeli citizens should have. Then, we might actually win in the long run. It's called "hearts and minds." It actually worked to some extent during the cold war, as much as it was implemented. We are not innocent either. One needs only to look back at the Crusades to see that.

[Seshmeister]

Great post Nick but I am starting to think some of these guys just aren't smart enough to understand it.