Former Bush Team Member Says WTC Collapse Likely A Controlled Demolition & 'Inside

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
[B]Okay, I'll be a BUSHEEP today. As PENN & TELLER would say, BULLSHIT!

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6. It was also designed to withstand the impact of a Boeing 707, though engineers apparently did not take into consideration the plane's fuel load.

Nick,

This is categoricaly false. The engineered design for a Boeing 707 DID give the plane a FULL fuel load, including a fully loaded plane of passengers and freight AND flying a top speed of 600mph and NOT the slower 500mph the actual planes were doing.

This speed is important, because although a Boeing 707 is slightly smaller than the planes used the higher speed makes for MORE kinetic energy through inertia THAN THE PLANES USED. So both WTC buildings were designed for GREATER impacts than they'd received.

Nice try, but the entire piece is filled with bunk like this.

You usually get your facts straight and you are reliable.

Stay that way.

You read some dummy disinfo, propaganda. It's everywhere. Watch out and survive.

It's later than you... it's too late.


=PtS=

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Phil theStalker
Nick,

This is categoricaly false. The engineered design for a Boeing 707 DID give the plane a FULL fuel load, including a fully loaded plane of passengers and freight AND flying a top speed of 600mph and NOT the slower 500mph the actual planes were doing.

This speed is important, because although a Boeing 707 is slightly smaller than the planes used the higher speed makes for MORE kinetic energy through inertia THAN THE PLANES USED. So both WTC buildings were designed for GREATER impacts than they'd received.

Nice try, but the entire piece is filled with bunk like this.

You usually get your facts straight and you are reliable.

Stay that way.

You read some dummy disinfo, propaganda. It's everywhere. Watch out and survive.

It's later than you... it's too late.


=PtS=

READ THE ARTICLE AGAIN PHIL! It wasn't the impact that brought down the towers, it was the resulting fire that destablized and weakened the metal superstructure initiating the chain reaction, pancake collapse! Not the 707's, but their jet fuel load, which was nearly full upon impact!

You know, I really don't like to talk about this, but I've seen an actual crash in real life. The BLUE ANGELS, then flying A-4 Skyhawks, crashed at NIAGARA FALLS Airstation around 1986 (I think) at a semi-annual airshow usually held there.

The two show planes collided while doing a pass, the one wing clipped the canopy of the other pilot, and he was decapitated. The two aircraft fell like stones, plummeted with nearly a full tank of gas, and exploded in the distance with a fiery mushroom cloud and a delayed boom.

I watched footage on the local news afterward, and there were just two blackened craters and charred metal left, nothing recognizable as an aircraft.

Incidently, the pilot's head was found in a nearby wood about a week later.

Why people assume that a plane, impacting at several hundred miles an hour, and consumed in a fire upon impact, will leave behind much in the way of recognizable plane parts is beyond me!

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
[B]READ THE ARTICLE AGAIN PHIL! It wasn't the impact that brought down the towers, it was the resulting fire that destablized and weakened the metal superstructure initiating the chain reaction, pancake collapse! Not the 707's, but their jet fuel load, which was nearly full upon impact!

BUNK!

Read the article posted in this forum from the Washington post. There were people standing in the wholes made from the planes and the major fires from the fuel burned for only 16 minutes.

FACT.

I suppose you think there was a WAR at Kent State in 1970. It was a riot. Get your facts straight or admit you've been brainwashed since the last time I've posted here.

I take back my previous endorsement of you.

You are biased and your "facts" are false.

You believe the BIG LIE.

It's too late.

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh

Why people assume that a plane, impacting at several hundred miles an hour, and consumed in a fire upon impact, will leave behind much in the way of recognizable plane parts is beyond me!

because they're ignorant, man. because they're ignorant.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Phil theStalker
BUNK!

Blah blah blah...

I take back my previous endorsement of you.

Oh God no! How will I ever recover from that one?

You are biased and your "facts" are false.

Pot meet tea kettle PHIL...

You believe the BIG LIE.

You believe in bigger ones. Try to get some sleep PHIL and take care. It's later that you think....

[Warham]

Phil's delusional.

It's not the end of the world, Phil. Get out of the house and get some fresh air.

[Hardrock69]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
An excellent point! Some turn these incompetent dolts into JAMES BOND villians...Well, maybe RUMSFELD and ROVE are on par with DR. NO and GOLDFINGER....

Simply because these figureheads are incompetent does not mean they cannot accomplish great evil.


As incompetent as Bush is, there is a reason for his CABINET. And there are reasons that CABINET MEMBERS have ADVISORS.

Bascially, the Office OF President Of The United States should be renamed "President Of The Free World".

So you are still saying they have no power to make plans and carry them out?

Give me a break...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Hardrock69

So you are still saying they have no power to make plans and carry them out?

Give me a break...

I'm saying they would have no power to keep them secret indefinitely...

Look up Chaos Theory, and show me a historical parallel we're such an intricate alleged plan could have remained secret? Human beings want to believe that there is some grand order where all evil springs from, but in fact it's quite impossible to keep people quiet. Watergate ring any bells? They could keep people quiet regarding a burglary. Again, this is all based on the speculations of a FRENCH author, with no real evidence to support any of it other than "that didn't look right..."

There was once a plane crash in either the late 80's or early 90's where a passenger airliner crashed into a bog. There was virtually no evidence of an aircraft left, and very few bodies were ever recovered. Did that mean the crash didn't happen?

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
There was once a plane crash in either the late 80's or early 90's where a passenger airliner crashed into a bog. There was virtually no evidence of an aircraft left, and very few bodies were ever recovered. Did that mean the crash didn't happen?

I speak of VALUJET Flight 592. which crashed in the FLORIDIA everglades in 1996.

*"Where's the plane?"*

More.

'There's no airplane left'
Divers complete probe
of ValuJet crash crater

May 21, 1996
Web posted at: 8:45 p.m. EDT

DADE COUNTY, Florida (CNN) -- For the first time, divers Tuesday entered the crater in the Florida Everglades created when ValuJet Flight 592 plunged to earth. Afterwards, they said they found little.

"There is no aircraft in the pit, only fragment pieces," said Paul Toy, one of the Metro-Dade Police divers.(123K AIFF sound or 123K WAV sound) He said the largest piece he found was about the size of 3- by 6-foot table. No body parts were discovered in the crater.

Toy used his feet to feel around 4 to 5 feet of silt at the bottom.

Toy said there was a definite impression in the limestone, "like somebody shot a gun into limestone or rock."

The divers entered the murky Everglades water two at a time. They were tethered together and communicated with each other and the dive platform via radio lines. They moved awkwardly in their bulky black rubber suits, designed to protect them from the skin-irritating jet fuel and bacteria from decaying bodies.

The crater is 175 feet long, 60 feet wide, and about 6 feet deep.

Divers have finished their exploration of the crater, and will now work elsewhere. The National Transportation Safety Board will take over investigation of the crater.

Workers on Tuesday also used a high-tech ground penetrating radar to map the crash site and pinpoint buried wreckage. The radar search is focusing on the oxygen-generating canisters the plane was carrying as cargo, and the cockpit voice recorder, which may contain the pilots' conversation in the final minutes before the crash.
diver

The DC-9 plunged into the Everglades on May 11, killing all 110 people on board. Recovery efforts have yielded only human remains and about 10 percent of the plane.

Canisters dispute

A dispute has broken out between ValuJet and SabreTech, the aircraft maintenance company that handled more than 100 oxygen canisters loaded aboard Flight 592. There's speculation the canisters may have contributed to a fire believed to have broken out on the plane before the crash.

Instead of being labeled hazardous, a shipping ticket indicated the canisters were empty of volatile chemicals. After the crash, ValuJet said it would have refused the shipment from SabreTech if the boxes had been accurately labeled as hazardous. The canisters were from some of ValuJet's MD-80 planes being remodeled by SabreTech in Miami.

SabreTech denies any wrongdoing. Kenneth Quinn, an attorney for the company, said Monday that the canisters were ValuJet's property, and SabreTech workers were merely returning them to the airline for disposal. He said it was up to ValuJet to identify the canisters as hazardous.

SabreTech questioned why ValuJet would want the canisters aboard the plane. "The canisters apparently cannot be reused or recharged after their life limit of 12 years," Quinn said.

ValuJet spokeswoman Marcia Scott said it was "clear that ValuJet and SabreTech's Mr. Quinn have significantly different interpretations of what occurred."

Correspondent Susan Candiotti, the Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9605/21/valujet.pm/index.html

[Warham]

Nick, quit citing valid scientific evidence when argueing your points...

:D

[FORD]

I don't think a swamp is the best example of planes breaking up in a crash. Half that plane could be at the bottom of the Everglades mud, and you would never know the difference.

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by Warham
Phil's delusional.

It's not the end of the world, Phil. Get out of the house and get some fresh air.

I didn't say it's the end of the world. But it is the end of the U.S.A., and world government will not come in without a world war.

And your baseless comments, I own a private beach. I'm a beach boy and an outdoorsman. What's your point when your point is based on false evidence in your mind and conclusions drawn from your lies to yourself? huh

You'll need water and I won't.

You'll need food and I won't.

You'll need electricty and I won't.

You'll need gas and I won't.

You'll need guns and ammo for protection and I won't.

You'll need FEMA and I won't.

Nick's right about o1ne thing.

It's too late.

[Warham]

You were probably one of those people who warned everybody that when the clock hit 12:00 on Jan 1, 2000, that everything as we know it would be changed forever by the Y2K bug. Am I right?

I remember media types saying on the radio and TV that folks should buy plenty of bottled water and plenty of canned food in case of disaster.

Different subject of course, but it's the same silly nonsense.

[scamper]

still pretty sure it was termites

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by Warham
You were probably one of those people who warned everybody that when the clock hit 12:00 on Jan 1, 2000, that everything as we know it would be changed forever by the Y2K bug. Am I right?

I remember media types saying on the radio and TV that folks should buy plenty of bottled water and plenty of canned food in case of disaster.

Different subject of course, but it's the same silly nonsense.

You NEVER quit with your UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMOR.

I was NOT "one of those people." What PROOF do you have? You are a liar, a slanderer, and a libeler t2o make your unsubstanciated statements.

You lie to yourself so much, and not just with me, with anyo1ne who doesn't agree with your FANTASY world.

Enjoy your fantasy... it's too late.