Bush's Support on Major Issues Tumbles in Poll

[Warham]

I must have hit a nerve.

He listed his sources, Nick. Do you need me to go hunt them down for you in a list? He mentions Madame Albright, Richard Clarke, John Deutch, Sandy 'Burglar' Berger, Anthony Lake, plus others.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
I must have hit a nerve.

He listed his sources, Nick. Do you need me to go hunt them down for you in a list? He mentions Madame Albright, Richard Clarke, John Deutch, Sandy 'Burglar' Berger, Anthony Lake, plus others.

Really? No, actually he lists their names. He spends time TALKING ABOUT ALL OF HIS SOURCES, not listing ONE of them. And the nerve is only because you guys serve up heaping reams of bullshit to back up your nefarious claims. But if I supported a policy that has resulted in over 1,700 dead Americans and thousands of Iraqis with nothing to show for it except an approaching civil war, I suppose I would be reaching for crap books sold off NEWSMAX or wherever. Say, if you want RICHARD CLARK as a source, why don't you just use his comments directly rather than the author selectively (mis)quoting him second hand?

[Warham]

I don't think blaming Clinton's administration for at least half of 9/11 is nefarious, Nick.

I blame the Bush administration as well.

[FORD]

Mansucker Ijizz is a CIA/PNAC stooge.

[Warham]

Louis Freeh and George Tenet both deserve a big portion of the blame.

[academic punk]

So, let's see, if Clinton knew about bin Laden by '93 (and I'm certain it was actually much, much earlier), then that would indicate that Poppy Bush must've been aware of him too, right? Especially considering the ties the Bush family has with the rest of the bin Laden clan. But, no...no one ever in the Bush administration would ever commisurate with terror threats...

(if I could be bothered I would attatch the pic of Rumsfeld having a hearty handshake with Saddam Hussein, but, hey, use your imagination)

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by academic punk
So, let's see, if Clinton knew about bin Laden by '93 (and I'm certain it was actually much, much earlier), then that would indicate that Poppy Bush must've been aware of him too, right? Especially considering the ties the Bush family has with the rest of the bin Laden clan. But, no...no one ever in the Bush administration would ever commisurate with terror threats...

Excellent point.

However, as we all know, NO Bush can be held accountable for ANYTHING.




Even if some of them were meeting with members of the Bin Laden family on the morning of 9.11.01

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
Louis Freeh and George Tenet both deserve a big portion of the blame.

Okay, I'll give you that. But so does RICE, RUMMY and some of the other stooges...

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Okay, I'll give you that. But so does RICE, RUMMY and some of the other stooges...

Cheney, Perle, Wolfowitz, Bremer, Chalabi............

[LoungeMachine]

Bush Advisers Planned Iraq War
Since 1990s

by Joe Taglieri, FTW Staff

Oct. 1, 2002, 17:00 PDT (FTW) -- The George W. Bush Administration's intentions of removing Saddam Hussein from power are not a recent development by any stretch of the imagination. Top White House officials affiliated with conservative think tanks and past administrations have been developing strategies for removing the Iraqi leader since the 1990s.

One such think tank, the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), published a report in September 2000 recommending policies for preserving and expanding U.S. dominance in world affairs, including an aggressive policy for deposing Saddam Hussein. Members of this group include Vice President Dick Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, convicted Iran-Contra perjurer and current National Security Council (NSC) staffer Elliot Abrams, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and I. Lewis Libby, Cheney's chief of staff and assistant for national security affairs.

Referring to the Persian Gulf region the report states, "Indeed, the United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein."

The crux of the report advocates bulking up America's military so it can be "able to rapidly deploy and win multiple simultaneous large-scale wars." It lists southern Europe, the Middle East, Central- and East Asia as targets for increased military deployments.

Gary Schmitt, one of the report's project co-chairmen and a former Reagan policy adviser, told FTW that a U.S. invasion of Iraq is inevitable. "We will definitely be involved in Iraq for two reasons," said Schmitt. "One is because of issues myself, the administration and others have laid out for a number of years, and two, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell Saddam will allow inspections that matter."

ALL THE VICE PRESIDENT'S MEN

U.S. military action against Iraq to oust Saddam Hussein has long been a goal of members of the present Bush Administration. The PNAC report was based upon a 1992 draft of the Pentagon's Defense Planning Guidance, which was prepared for then-Defense Secretary Cheney, Wolfowitz and Libby. At the time Libby and Wolfowitz were part of Cheney's policy staff.

Libby has an extensive background in international relations and defense policy. He joined President Reagan's State Department in 1981 as a member of the Policy Planning Staff and then became the director of special projects in the department's Bureau of East Asian and Pacific Affairs.

Libby was a deputy undersecretary for policy in President George H. W. Bush's Defense Department headed by Cheney.

He has a law degree from Columbia University and during the Clinton years was a managing partner for the Washington, D.C. international law firm Dechert, Price & Rhoads. Libby was also a legal consultant for the "Cox Committee," the congressional body that investigated Chinese breaches of U.S. national security and trade secrets in 1999.

Wolfowitz has worked for the government as a defense policy strategist since 1973. He was head of the State Department's Policy Planning Staff from 1981 to 1982 and was deputy assistant secretary of defense for regional programs from 1977 to 1980.

During his time with regional programs Wolfowitz helped establish the force that would become the United States Central Command. He also contributed to the creation of the Navy's Maritime Pre-positioning Ships, which his Defense Department bio describes as the supply ships program that provided "the backbone of the initial U.S. deployment twelve years later in Operation Desert Shield."

Under Reagan, Wolfowitz served as U.S. ambassador to Indonesia and assistant secretary of state for East Asian and Pacific affairs, where he was responsible for shaping U.S. relations with all Far East nations.

Along with five fellow signatories of PNAC's 1997 statement of principles, Wolfowitz is affiliated with Johns Hopkins University. He was the dean and professor of international relations at the university's Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS).

Thomas Donnelly, the principle author of the 2000 report advocating aggressive U.S. military policies, holds a masters degree from the Nitze School.

SAIS is also home to foreign policy behemoth Zbigniew Brzezinski, the author of a 1997 book foretelling current U.S. conflicts with Iraq and terrorists called "The Grand Chessboard." Brzezinski, a trustee of the Trilateral Commission and a member the Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank, is billed by SAIS as a Robert E. Osgood professor of American foreign policy.

PNAC member Elliot Abrams is a former assistant secretary of state who was a major player in the Iran-Contra scandal of the 1980s. He was convicted of several felony offenses including lying to Congress but was later pardoned by President George H. W. Bush.

Abrams has recently served on the U.S. Commission on Religious Freedom and was appointed to the NSC staff position several months into George W. Bush's tenure. Given his controversial background, it was widely known that Abrams would never have survived a Senate confirmation hearing for a deputy or assistant secretary position at either the Department of Defense or State Department.

'RICHARD'S STRING OF PERLES'

Richard Perle is another key Bush policy maker at the center of the administration's push toward war with Iraq. He is the chairman of the Defense Policy Board, which reports policy recommendations to Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz.

Perle was assistant secretary of defense for international security policy during both terms of the Reagan Administration. He has been a frequent contributor to national media publications and television programs.

He is also a resident fellow of the American Enterprise Institute, a think tank which has a member list that reads like a who's who of conservative politicians, academics, and policy makers.

Some contend Perle is a major puller of defense policy strings. Jude Wanniski, an analyst who focuses on the politics of "supply-side economics," claims Perle controls the "brass" of the Bush Administration's defense policy team -- Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Libby and National Security Adviser Condoleeza Rice.

"It is a badge of honor among the Warrior Class to be identified as one of Richard's String of Perles," Wanniski wrote in a memo posted on his Polycomomics, Inc. website.

Two PNAC men cited by Wanniski as faithful Perlites are William Kristol and Frank Gaffney.

Gaffney is a Washington Times columnist and a contributor to Defense News and Investor's Business Daily. During the Reagan Administration he was an assistant secretary of defense under Perle.

Gaffney, who holds a Masters Degree from Johns Hopkins' SAIS, is the founder and president of yet another think tank known as the Center for Security Policy.

Conservative commentator Kristol is the editor of the Weekly Standard magazine and a frequent pundit on TV news programs. He is also the PNAC chairman and, according to Wanniski, part of a network of opinion makers who answer to Perle. Kristol's network consists of many editorial page writers and journalists for national publications and television programs.

The vast majority of PNAC's money comes from funds forwarded through the New Citizenship Project, another organization founded by Kristol. Watchgroup Media Transparency reports PNAC has received a total of $600,000 between the organization's founding in 1997 and 2000.

The New Citizenship Project is primarily funded by grants from the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, the John M. Olin Foundation, and the Sarah Scaife Foundation. All are conservative philanthropic non-profits.

Tim Barker, FTW Staff, contributed to this report.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine


PNAC member Elliot Abrams is a former assistant secretary of state who was a major player in the Iran-Contra scandal of the 1980s. He was convicted of several felony offenses including lying to Congress but was later pardoned by President George H. W. Bush.

Abrams has recently served on the U.S. Commission on Religious Freedom and was appointed to the NSC staff position several months into George W. Bush's tenure.

Fucking amazing

Convicted Felon, Lied to Congress, Pardoned by Poppy, Hired by Monkeyboy

fucking unreal

[LoungeMachine]

Facing lagging support, Bush defends war in Iraq
Saturday, June 18, 2005; Posted: 3:01 p.m. EDT (19:01 GMT)

(CNN) -- The United States will settle for "nothing less than victory" in Iraq, President Bush said Saturday in his weekly radio address.

Speaking amid a swirl of lagging support for the war and declining approval ratings for his leadership, Bush defended U.S. operations in Iraq and showed no intention of pulling out of the region.

"We went to war because we were attacked, and we are at war today because there are still people out there who want to harm our country and hurt our citizens," he said.

Recent polls have given Bush some of the lowest approval ratings of his tenure, with figures hovering in the low-to-mid 40s.

A Gallup poll released Monday found that 59 percent of Americans favor at least some U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq, and some lawmakers are calling for troops to be brought home. A bipartisan group this week called for a timetable for bringing all the troops home.

"Their (the terrorists') goal is to get us to leave before Iraqis have had a chance to show the region what a government that is elected and truly accountable to its citizens can do for its people," Bush said in his address Saturday.

Bush's comments were a marked change from last week's address, which concentrated on domestic issues.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan, speaking Thursday, said Bush realizes that Americans are concerned about the war, "and that's why he's going to sharpen his focus, spending more time talking about the progress that's being made on the ground."

In recent days, some prominent lawmakers -- including Bush's fellow Republicans -- have spoken out about their dimming views of the conflict.

"After 1,700 deaths, over 12,000 wounded and $200 billion spent, we believe it is time to have this debate and this discussion on this resolution," Rep. Walter Jones, R-North Carolina, said Thursday.

Jones, a member of the House Armed Services Committee, is the same congressman who pushed for the House cafeteria to change the name of French fries to "freedom fries" after France opposed the U.S. drive to war.

On Thursday he joined a bipartisan group of House members sponsoring a proposed bill calling on the administration to announce a plan for a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq by the year's end and for the withdrawal to begin by Oct. 1, 2006.

Jones was joined by Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, a former Libertarian presidential candidate; Rep. Neil Abercrombie, D-Hawaii, another Armed Services member; and Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich.

Of the proposed resolution, McClellan said it would be the wrong message to send the world at a time when the insurgency against U.S. troops and Iraqi forces is in a "desperate mode."

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine



White House spokesman Scott McClellan, speaking Thursday, said Bush realizes that Americans are concerned about the war, "and that's why he's going to sharpen his focus, spending more time talking about the progress that's being made on the ground."

Yeah. That's great Scottie.

That strategy sure worked for Monkeyboy's "plan to fix SS"

Sharpen his focus????????????????

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?????????????????????????

So his "focus" has been dull?

Spend more time talking about the progress being made on the ground?????????????????????????????

This is SURREAL