Truman dropped A-Bomb to iintimidate Soviet Union, not end WWII..

[Hardrock69]

Yes, it is really a trip how real history ends up being homogenized into some kind of fucked up fairy tale.....

[academic punk]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
Yes, it is really a trip how real history ends up being homogenized into some kind of fucked up fairy tale.....

I guarantee our children or our children's children will be attending "Dick Cheney Elementary School" someday.

[steve]

Originally posted by academic punk
The Civil War was not really about freeing slaves.

Just like W. uses "We did this to free the oppressed good people of Iraq!" to justify this war, Lincoln was able to use "Free the slaves" as his rallying cry.

The reason Lincoln opposed slavery was b/c it made it difficult for lower class whites to land work. After all, employers would have to pay them far more than he'd have to pay a slave...and the slave he owns for life.

ap...I respect most of your posts on here, but this is a blanket statement. The issue of slavery was something wrestled with since the conception of the US. The whole "3/5's" a person was in there because the issue of SLAVERY was BITTERLY contested by many at the Philadelphia conventions.

While there is some argument to be made that the US civil war was about things other than slavery, there is overwhelming evidence that it was. And I think that goes for Lincoln as well.

This isn't to say that northerners LOVED black people at the time or anything (or even that Lincoln did), but to say that the civil war , for lincoln, was n't about slavery is too cynical.

It was.

[Nickdfresh]

The very issue of States Rights vs. Federalism would never have come to the forefront if it were not for slavery.

[steve]

To say that it was merely a rallying cry ignores the political risk he took (to a great degree) in rallying behind the abolitionist movement (PRIOR to the civil war).

My opinion .

[steve]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
The very issue of States Rights vs. Federalism would never have come to the forefront if it were not for slavery.

Agreed.
just ask Strom Thurmond

[FORD]

Originally posted by academic punk
I guarantee our children or our children's children will be attending "Dick Cheney Elementary School" someday.

There's already a "Todd Beamer" elementary school somewhere in Seattle, and we don't even know if that guy even actually existed.

There's also a "George W. Bush" elementary in Tumwater. It's NOT named after Junior, but future generations will probably think so