Mick Jagger to Junior: "You're full of SHIT!"

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by academic punk
I agree, it is certainly a coy stunt, but that doesn't mean it's not heartfelt. But all of your points have been valid - just a different perspective.

What the fuck did happen with WB??? Anything you'd like to divulge? They really once were an artist (and A&R) label...Van Dyke Parks, Randy Newman (produced by Waronker!), so many great artists who maybe didn't sell so well, but always had good music...then suddenly it all fell apart and now they're just another shitty corporate label.

Was it how radio has changed? how marketing has? shareholders making too much stink? what the hey?

And would it kill WB to pry open ED's vault and release some good live VAN HALEN for a change?

[diamondD]

Originally posted by FORD
Kilmeade is a fucking moron. I mean just look at this fucker........

.....does this face say "I need a major fucking ass kicking" or what?

This fuckwad is so goddamned dumb he makes Hannity look like fucking Einstein by comparison.

And the only reason he gave Paul McCartney a pass was because of that useless "Freedom" song, no doubt.

They need to get rid of all the main ones they have and just give Kiran a 3 hour show every morning. :D

[FORD]

Originally posted by diamondD
They need to get rid of all the main ones they have and just give Kiran a 3 hour show every morning. :D

If they did that I might actually watch FAUX

[Nickdfresh]

Oooof!

[Guitar Shark]

Linkies no workies...

[FORD]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Linkies no workies...

Which linkies is that?

[academic punk]

Originally posted by FORD
Which linkies is that?

The one to the video of the guy in Seattle who died from a perforated colon b/c he was getting fucked in the ass by a horse, of course.

What the fuck is wrong with you people in the NorthWest? Christ, you're screwed up.

[academic punk]

Don't believe me?

Perhaps you'll trust your very own Stranger then...

http://www.thestranger.com/blog/archives/2005/07/10-16.php

[Nickdfresh]

I'm sure JESTERSTAR has the video, he likes horse cock!

[academic punk]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I'm sure JESTERSTAR has the video, he likes horse cock!

You'd think so, but do you really think he's adept enough at navigating the net to find that?

JesterStar...HE'S GOT HIS HEAD UP HIS ASS...AND A HUNGER FOR THE COCK!!!

[Big Train]

Originally posted by academic punk
I agree, it is certainly a coy stunt, but that doesn't mean it's not heartfelt. But all of your points have been valid - just a different perspective.

What the fuck did happen with WB??? Anything you'd like to divulge? They really once were an artist (and A&R) label...Van Dyke Parks, Randy Newman (produced by Waronker!), so many great artists who maybe didn't sell so well, but always had good music...then suddenly it all fell apart and now they're just another shitty corporate label.

Was it how radio has changed? how marketing has? shareholders making too much stink? what the hey?

Long and short of it, in the case of WB, was TW. TW installed a guy named Bob Morgado in the early 90's who was a suit, in the true sense, who had no concept of the music business works (which is to say, there is no conventional business you can compare it to). Morgado understood nothing and basically broke up the Yankees, alienating or firing all the music guys who brought you all the music you just mentioned and nurtured the younger exec talent. He replaced them with suits, meaningless research and endless amounts of lawyers, ending all the fun and creativity. Which of course made WB the useless garbage it has been the last few years. They are trying to float it now, but on the basis of anything other than the catalogue, junk. A great book on it is Exploding, by Stan Coryn.

Ironically, all the guys they fired went to MCA, which became Universal, the largest by a wide margin (and gaining marketshare everyday).

[academic punk]

Originally posted by Big Train
Long and short of it, in the case of WB, was TW. TW installed a guy named Bob Morgado in the early 90's who was a suit, in the true sense, who had no concept of the music business works (which is to say, there is no conventional business you can compare it to). Morgado understood nothing and basically broke up the Yankees, alienating or firing all the music guys who brought you all the music you just mentioned and nurtured the younger exec talent. He replaced them with suits, meaningless research and endless amounts of lawyers, ending all the fun and creativity. Which of course made WB the useless garbage it has been the last few years. They are trying to float it now, but on the basis of anything other than the catalogue, junk. A great book on it is Exploding, by Stan Coryn.

Ironically, all the guys they fired went to MCA, which became Universal, the largest by a wide margin (and gaining marketshare everyday).

Yeah, what was once the Musicians Cemetary of America is suddenly really looking good...just give it a face lift and a new name!

I thumbed through Exploding when it first came out...is it good? It seemed like a whole bunch of personal anecdotes more so than anything else, but again, that was just a cursory glance.

I recently read about 4/5ths of the Jake Schlicter book...who also had a recent op-ed in the Times re: Spitzer and payola. Good read, better than average writing from a musician, though nothing terribly revelatory. he strikes me as too nice a guy to actually say anything out loud.

[Big Train]

I highly recommend it. There are certainly lots of anecdotes, but he is very funny and it is all within the context of what was happening. His perspective really illustrates how things changed from an exec point of view from the 50's (When he was writing liner notes for Sinatra) to the mid-90's when the music stopped sort to speak.

The payola issue is such a non-issue it is funny. But not so, when you consider how many will burn at the stake so Spitz can become gov.

[academic punk]

Originally posted by Big Train
I highly recommend it. There are certainly lots of anecdotes, but he is very funny and it is all within the context of what was happening. His perspective really illustrates how things changed from an exec point of view from the 50's (When he was writing liner notes for Sinatra) to the mid-90's when the music stopped sort to speak.

The payola issue is such a non-issue it is funny. But not so, when you consider how many will burn at the stake so Spitz can become gov.

The payola thing IS interesting, b/c it's ultimately not really going to change a fucking thing. A whole lot of window dressing, with a whole lot of people getting burned for doing industry standard practices.

BUt ultimately that money that the record companies pay the independent promoters winds up being paid out of the musicians royalties, so it's complex.

Did you read Slichter's Op-Ed on the matter?

I was impressd that it was actually a pretty sophisticated piece of writing. Worth a read, and I'd be interested in hearing your reaction towards it.

Oh, one quote I do remember from Exploding is from Diamond Dave himself: "Rock'n'Roll has more to do with shoes you're wearing guitars." And I think there was a mention that Dave was so confident that VH would succeed that when he went to the WB offices to sign their first contract, he abandoned his car and left it behind for good.

[academic punk]

BT -

I just printed Schlicter's Op-Ed piece in a new thread in the House of Music...take a glance if you have a minute...