Yes Virginia, there ARE terrorists in America

[lucky wilbury]

Originally posted by FORD
You're confused again, Asscrotch. As I said, not all right wingers are racists. But all racists are definitely closed-minded in their thought process, which by definition is a conservative trait. As for Liberals at DU, there aren't many of us left. The Judasbots and DLC spies have taken over the board

be a comrade kulter and spam the board! :D

[Cathedral]

Oh brother, the spin is going so fast in this thread i actually got dizzy and fell out of my chair.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Cathedral
Oh brother, the spin is going so fast in this thread i actually got dizzy and fell out of my chair.

Nausea?

[lucky wilbury]

jack daniels would be my guess.

[ELVIS]

But all racists are definitely closed-minded in their thought process, which by definition is a conservative trait.

You have no idea what you're talking about...

[John Ashcroft]

Yep. Which party wants the status-quo of big government?

Which party reformed welfare? Which party wanted it to stay the same?

Which party nominated minority judges to the highest levels ever? Which party blocked those nominations?

Which party has a President who has elevated two African-Americans to (arguably) the third and fourth most powerful positions in the world?

Which party has a recent ex-President who had only token minorities chairing "important" entities like the Dept. of Labor?

[Pink Spider]

Originally posted by John Ashcroft
Yep. Which party wants the status-quo of big government?

Which party wants a smaller government? Neither. You can't deny it.

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by lucky wilbury
jack daniels would be my guess.

Nope, it is Fords posts without a doubt.

There is so much spin in his point of view it is intoxicating though.
Even a little zig zagging because in order to reach his conclusions he is clearly dodging the facts, as usual.

Democrats are to America what Spammy Hagar is to Van Halen...a half assed joke.

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by Pink Spider
Which party wants a smaller government? Neither. You can't deny it.

This, I agree with...

But, the only reason it has to be so big is due to programs implemented by Democrats.

Personally, as far as welfare is concerned, I think anyone who applies for it should be drug tested monthly in order to recieve it.

I just saved a few hundred million a year with that change alone. at that point you can start drawing back on all the programs that suck money from the hard working people who fund these hand out programs.
Then taxes can be decreased substatially and those who don't work, don't eat. if your hungry, get a fucking job because all welfare does is make people lazy and is designed to keep them on it.
I know because I was on it for 2 years a long time ago and if the bills are paid who is gonna get up and do something prodcutive that doesn't have an ounce of personal pride and a need to feel the sense of accomplishment?

That program and a slew of others do nothing more than allow a loser to reamain a loser, and those who really need it and have a sense of pride wouldn't stay on it longer than they have to.

[Dr. Love]

Originally posted by John Ashcroft
Yep. Which party wants the status-quo of big government?

With the way the government has grown under the President, I'm not sure I'd be touting this.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Cathedral
This, I agree with...

But, the only reason it has to be so big is due to programs implemented by Democrats.

Junior's "Homeland Security" was the largest government expansion in 50 years.

[Pink Spider]

Originally posted by Cathedral
This, I agree with...

But, the only reason it has to be so big is due to programs implemented by Democrats.

Personally, as far as welfare is concerned, I think anyone who applies for it should be drug tested monthly in order to recieve it.

I just saved a few hundred million a year with that change alone. at that point you can start drawing back on all the programs that suck money from the hard working people who fund these hand out programs.
Then taxes can be decreased substatially and those who don't work, don't eat. if your hungry, get a fucking job because all welfare does is make people lazy and is designed to keep them on it.
I know because I was on it for 2 years a long time ago and if the bills are paid who is gonna get up and do something prodcutive that doesn't have an ounce of personal pride and a need to feel the sense of accomplishment?

That program and a slew of others do nothing more than allow a loser to reamain a loser, and those who really need it and have a sense of pride wouldn't stay on it longer than they have to.

But, it's really cause and effect. The handout programs wouldn't be as necessary if drugs were legalized and therefore drug "offenders" were offered jobs more easily. Treating it as a medical problem would do more in cleaning up serious addictions than jail time. Raising minimum wage to a decent living wage is also a step into getting more people off of welfare among countless others. Discouraging someone from having 8 kids when they can't afford to feed themselves is just common sense.

But, it all comes down to both parties wanting to keep the rich/poor divide as far apart as possible. After all, they're the rich. And the poorer they can keep the people they figure, the better off they'll be.

[Cathedral]

Pinky, I found nothing to disagree with in this post. You pretty much nailed it i think.

The one good thing is that we as individuals do have a chance to become rich ourselves. the opportunity is there and all we need to do is find the right path to achieve it.
I'm not poor and I can pretty much acquire whatever i want within reason. but I wouldn't mind elevating my lifestyle a few rungs on that ladder, lol...who wouldn't?

[ELVIS]

Bullshit Cat...

She just said raise the minimum wage to a decent living wage as a step into getting people off of welfare!

You agree with that crap ??

[Cathedral]

Well, in a sense i do....
The minimum wage is far lower than what it actually costs to live which makes it that much easier for someone to say "Fuck It, Why work when Uncle Sam will pay my bills?"

If people felt like they could actually do better by working, and being paid a fair wage that was equal to the cost of living they would be more likely to get a job and in the process feel much better about themselves.

Dude, I used food stamps and let me tell you, it was a pretty low feeling for me, but I had kids that needed to eat and a wife who is disabled. That still didn't make it any easier to deal with the looks and comments from those behind me in the line who had cash.
I was in a way, ashamed to use it but like I said, I had no choice.
It did help me mentally gear up an stop feeling sorry for myself so I could get out and find a way to provide a better life for me and my family, and I did just that, but I have two degrees and it did help.
If the minimun wage was at least equal to what it costs to pay the rent, buy groceries, pay the electric and phone bills, i honestly believe that more people would take pride in their own lives and change their situation.
But in the same breath, if they can do no better by working, what is the motivation to try and do better?

It is a system designed to keep a person down and I do believe that increasing the wage would go a long way in getting people to stand on their own two feet.