Gore Laments U.S. 'Abuses' Against Arabs

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by 4moreyears
He put or vets in harms way with his mouth and became a commie sympathizer.

Actually, it was LBJ that put our vets in danger...

He spoke the truth of what he saw in that shitty little war...

And by all accounts, he plastered a BP-40 carrying VC with 5.56mm from his M-16...

While BUSH was adjusting his nuts in his flight suit bravely defending Dallas air space against the North Vietnamese Air Force, or skipping duty all together...

[Warham]

Yeah, and Slick Willie was off on his National Lampoon's European Vacation®.

[Nickdfresh]

Can you go more than two-posts without mentioning CLINTON? Seriously...

[Warham]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Can you go more than two-posts without mentioning CLINTON? Seriously...

Nope. You'll just have to get used to it.

As long as you keep dogging Bush about his Vietnam service, I'll keep dogging every other former President's Vietnam service.

I figured after Dan Rather got embarrassed, you guys would have stopped harping about that. Just don't learn...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
Nope. You'll just have to get used to it.

As long as you keep dogging Bush about his Vietnam service, I'll keep dogging every other former President's Vietnam service.

I figured after Dan Rather got embarrassed, you guys would have stopped harping about that. Just don't learn...

Um, it was actually related to the topic, or the post I addressed...

Your repeated "But CLINTON" threadjacking is just gay.

[Warham]

Bush vietnam service record wasn't involved it in either until you brought it up. This was about Al Gore being an traitor.

Stop playing games, Nick.

[Angel]

Originally posted by Nitro Express
I did a study abroad in Israel while in college. Some of the worlds best scuba diving is in the Red Sea. Some of the best Red Sea resorts are actually in Saudi Arabia believe it or not. It's strict Islamic rules where women and men are sepparated and everything but they are posh resorts that are way better than anything the Egyptians have.

All I wanted to do was scuba dive and yes, the Saudis do that. Everytime I applied for a visa I was turned down flat. I even had a Saudi friend try and pull some strings for me but that was to no avail. But the United States at that time was letting in thousands of Saudis. Go figure.

My brother lived and worked in Saudi for 8 years, mainly to pay for his underwater photography equipment, and you are correct SOME of the best diving is in the Red Sea, however, If I remember correctly, he said that some of the best Red Sea resorts were either in Yemen or the United Arab Emirates (can't remember which). The only way you can get a Visa to Saudi is for work, or to visit a relative who has been working there for at least one year - at least that were the rules at that time, I understand they have relaxed the rules somewhat since then.

He HATED going to the beaches, having to see the men able to run around and swim in speedos, while the women still had to remain under Burkhas.

By the way, if you want some of the BEST diving in the world, the Pacific Northwest is the place to be.

[Angel]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Um, it was actually related to the topic, or the post I addressed...

Your repeated "But CLINTON" threadjacking is just gay.

But CLINTON sold out all the cheap seats and now I have to pay the BIG $$$$ to go hear him speak next month...




Okay, back to the topic now, I just couldn't resist.

[franksters]

Originally posted by Angel
My brother lived and worked in Saudi for 8 years, mainly to pay for his underwater photography equipment, and you are correct SOME of the best diving is in the Red Sea, however, If I remember correctly, he said that some of the best Red Sea resorts were either in Yemen or the United Arab Emirates (can't remember which). The only way you can get a Visa to Saudi is for work, or to visit a relative who has been working there for at least one year - at least that were the rules at that time, I understand they have relaxed the rules somewhat since then.

He HATED going to the beaches, having to see the men able to run around and swim in speedos, while the women still had to remain under Burkhas.

By the way, if you want some of the BEST diving in the world, the Pacific Northwest is the place to be.

My Kinda people!!!!

speedo and burka...

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by lesfunk
Are there any Politicians that the Saudis don't own?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Co..._17_06_JKE.html

February 17, 2006
Al Gore's Embittered Remarks
By Jack Kelly

Former Vice President Al Gore is bitterly disappointed he was not elected president. Periodically, he expresses his disappointment in ways that gives us reason to be thankful he wasn't.

The most recent was last weekend, when he traveled to Saudi Arabia to make a speech denouncing the United States. The occasion was the annual Jeddah economic forum, which is sponsored in part by the family of Osama bin Laden (which claims to have distanced itself from the family black sheep).

Mr. Gore has not disclosed how much he was paid for his words of wisdom. It probably is less than the $267,000 former president Bill Clinton was paid for speaking to the group in 2002, but odds are his fee was in six figures.

Whatever Mr. Gore's speaking fee was, his hosts likely thought it a bargain, considering what the former vice president had to say. The U.S. committed "terrible abuses" against Arabs after 9/11, Mr. Gore said. Arabs were "indiscriminately rounded up, often on minor charges of overstaying a visa and not having a green card in proper order, and held in conditions that were just unforgivable."

According to the Arab American Anti Discrimination Committee, about 1,200 Arabs were arrested after 9/11. Of these, 725 were held on immigration violations, 100 on unrelated criminal charges, and 360 for possible links to terrorism.

The Census Bureau says there are about three million Arabs in the United States. The number "indiscriminately rounded up" after 9/11 is much less than one tenth of one percent of that number.

Mr. Gore didn't say what he thought was "unforgivable" about the conditions in which the Arabs were held, but his source probably was a June, 2003 report by the Justice Department's inspector general, or, rather, erroneous news accounts of the report.

The Los Angeles Times said most detainees were held for months without charges. In fact, only 24 were held for more than a month before being charged, and 59 percent were charged within three days, the IG report said.

Most Americans remember that 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were Saudis, but Mr. Gore seems to have forgotten. He deplored the cancellation of "Visa Express," the expedited program without background checks through which several of the hijackers entered the United States.

In a footnote on page 492 of its report, the 9/11 Commission said Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who planned the attacks, told interrogators most of the hijackers he selected were Saudis because they had the easiest time getting visas. According to statistics gathered by the Government Accountability Office, before 9/11 only three percent of Saudi applicants were interviewed prior to being issued a visa, and only one percent were refused.

The Bush administration "is playing into al Qaida's hands" by subjecting Saudi visa applicants to special scrutiny, Mr. Gore said. "The worst thing we can possibly do is to cut off the channels of friendship and mutual understanding between Saudi Arabia and the United States," he said.

Some Americans think it would be worse to let into the country terrorists bent on perpetrating another 9/11.

The former vice president's speech attracted little attention from the news media, but drew condemnation from Web loggers who were appalled both by what he said and where he said it.

"Only Al Gore could come up with the idea of criticizing Bush for not sucking up to the Saudis enough," sighed law professor Glenn Reynolds (Instapundit), who had been a volunteer on Mr. Gore's 1988 presidential campaign.

"It is one thing to say such things to an American audience in an effort to change our policy...It is another thing entirely to travel to a foreign country that features pivotally for the war for our generation for the purpose of denouncing American policies," said "Tigerhawk."

One wonders what possessed the former vice president to say what he said where he said it. Perhaps he is so embittered by his narrow 2000 loss that he doesn't mind saying things helpful to America's enemies if they might be hurtful to George W. Bush. Perhaps he is desperate for money and will say whatever his paymasters want to hear in the hopes of garnering future invitations. And maybe he just isn't all that bright.

He did flunk out of both law school and divinity school.

Whatever the reason, Mr. Gore's remarks will not assist Democrats in persuading swing voters they can be trusted with national security... which may be why his remarks drew so little attention from the news media.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
Bush vietnam service record wasn't involved it in either until you brought it up. This was about Al Gore being an traitor.

Stop playing games, Nick.

The post above me mention KERRY's service record as being an election issue. CLINTON wasn't in that one, or else he would have won. Stop storing your head in your ass WARPIG...

[Warham]

So what does Gore have to do with Kerry, Nick?

Gore didn't play himself up as a Vietnam War Hero®.

Clinton was a draft-dodger, or as liberals would say: 'an ardent anti-war activist'.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
So what does Gore have to do with Kerry, Nick?

Gore didn't play himself up as a Vietnam War Hero®.

Clinton was a draft-dodger, or as liberals would say: 'an ardent anti-war activist'.

Sorry, admittedly, the post I responded to was so stupefyingly dumb, I was struck confused and that maybe 4Moronyears was just astute enough to be talking about Kerry's testimony before Congress and casting him as a "commie-sympathizer."

I can't keep up with his statements on GORE, since Communism has nothing to do with any of this. It would be Saudi-felcher or sell out maybe. But the terminology of the uneducated thrown around is just really confusing...

Again, my bad, I'm just too smart to post here...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
So what does Gore have to do with Kerry, Nick?

Nothing, just like "commie-sympathizer has nothing to do with Gore...

Gore didn't play himself up as a Vietnam War Hero®.

No. He was just a military journalist like Pvt. JOKER...

He was never wounded and I doubt he saw much actual combat..

Clinton was a draft-dodger, or as liberals would say: 'an ardent anti-war activist'.

CLINTON was against the war, and refused to serve. He wasn't a draft dodger either, he didn't get called and received deferments...

And of course, BUSH was for the War, but used his family connections to take the Republican cowards way out, and joined the Nat'l Guard. so other people could die for his rhetoric and flawed beliefs, sort of like now...

[Warham]

Well, see, I find that it's better to serve in the National Guard than to out and out dodge the draft.

I find taking a hike to England a coward's way out, then claiming 'I'm against the war'.

Cop out.