Introducing The Amazing Penta-lawn 2000!!!

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by FORD
You may remember that they showed where two of the supposed flights weren't even scheduled to fly on 9-11-01 at all.

So if there never WAS such a flight in the air on that day, then that would mean the passenger manifests were totally fabricated.

They made a reference to Operation Northwoods and the provision that passenger lists, and even funerals would be faked in order to generate "casualties". And if they thought they could get away with that blatant kind of lie back in 1961, it would be even easier with today's whore media. And the help of technology in some cases.

So all we need to do to disprove all of this is find someone who definitely lost someone on one of the planes?

Or did they march the passengers out of Cleveland and shoot them?

[Seshmeister]

Let's concentrate on AA 77 since it is the most cuntraversial.

From CNN

AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77
American Airlines Flight 77, from Washington to Los Angeles, crashed into the Pentagon with 64 people aboard.




CREW

Charles Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He is survived by a wife, a daughter and a grandson. He had more than 20 years of experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot.

David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the first officer on the flight. "He was handsome and happy and very centered," his neighbor Travis White, told The Washington Post. "His life was the kind of life I wanted to have some day."

Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30 years. She left behind a husband, a pilot, and a daughter and son.

Flight attendant Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the wife of flight attendant Kenneth Lewis.

Flight attendant Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the husband of flight attendant Jennifer Lewis.

Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant.





PASSENGERS

Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, was a physician who worked with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the surgeon general to address racial and ethnic disparities in health. A 1995 graduate of Marshall University School of Medicine, Ambrose last year was named the Luther Terry Fellow of the Association of Teachers of Preventative Medicine.

Yeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California.

M.J. Booth

Bernard Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems Inc.

William Caswell

Sarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus Middle School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington. Asia was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

James Debeuneure, 58, of Upper Marlboro, Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham Elementary School in Washington. He was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Rodney Dickens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Eddie Dillard

Charles Droz

Barbara Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High School in Las Vegas.

Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of research at ECOlogic Corp., a software engineering firm. He worked on data systems for NASA and also developed data systems for the study of global and regional environmental issues. Falkenburg was traveling with his wife, Leslie Whittingham, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3.

Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Joe Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography education outreach program in Washington. He was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. A Mississippi native, he joined the society in 1987. "Joe Feguson's final hours at the Geographic reveal the depth of his commitment to one of the things he really loved," said John Fahey Jr., the society's president. "Joe was here at the office until late Monday evening preparing for this trip. It was his goal to make this trip perfect in every way."

Wilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired American Airlines pilot.

Dee Flagg

Richard Gabriel

Ian Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm.

Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California.

Bryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense Department.

Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating officer of Metrocall Inc., a wireless data and messaging company.

Ann Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National Geographic Society. She was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. Society President John Fahey Jr. said one of his fondest memories of Judge is a voice mail she and a colleague once left him while they were rafting the Monkey River in Belize. "This was quintessential Ann -- living life to the fullest and wanting to share it with others," he said.

Chandler Keller, 29, was a Boeing propulsion engineer from El Segundo, California.

Yvonne Kennedy

Norma Khan, 45, from Reston, Virginia was a nonprofit organization manager.

Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein & Fielding. She joined the firm in 1993 and was part of the its telecommunications practice. She was married to Peter Batacan.

Norma Langsteuerle

Dong Lee

Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, was the associate director of clinical research for a biotech firm.

Christopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive officer of Work-Life Benefits, a consultation and referral service. He was married and had two children. Newton was on his way back to Orange County to retrieve his family's yellow Labrador, who had been left behind until they could settle into their new home in Arlington, Virginia.

Barbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN and was married to U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson. She twice called her husband as the plane was being hijacked and described some details, including that the attackers were armed with knives. She had planned to take a different flight, but she changed it at the last minute so that she could be with her husband on his birthday. She worked as an investigator for the House Government Reform Committee in the mid-1990s and later worked on the staff of Senate Minority Whip Don Nickles.

Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer.

Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE Systems.

Lisa Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the Washington office of Genzyme, a biotechnology firm. She was from Great Falls, Virginia, and was married to Stephen Push. She worked with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration on developing a new policy governing cellular therapies, announced in 1997. She also worked on other major health-care legislation.

Todd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer.

John Sammartino

Diane Simmons

George Simmons

Mari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at the University of California at Santa Barbara. She had just gotten the post August 31 and was making the trip to California to start work.

Bob Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York.

Hilda Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia.

Leslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland. The professor of public policy at Georgetown University in Washington was traveling with her husband, Charles Falkenberg, 45, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3. They were traveling to Los Angeles to catch a connection to Australia. Whittington had been named a visiting fellow at Australian National University in Canberra.

John Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland.

Vicki Yancey

Shuyin Yang

Yuguag Zheng

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by thome
Ok lets play fun time.......... do you consider war an natural part
of existence, look back in time and ask yourself is it not
the single most wide spread commonality that joins all races
all styles of govmt all styles of you may think were diff
but we are all the same, war is life.

It's as natural as a bowl of corn flakes and next time you have the
liquid lawn spayed to kill the bugs and termites around your house
remember you are a murderer of the termites and the water table it all flows into so FUK OFF YOU condescending LIAR!!!!!!!!!!

Your sixties mentality was wrong then and you are wrong now.

I cun't help butt think dat a mman who spews f4orth da virtues aff war, and ya cun't stop wars, and wars are all da 'same', doon't deserve t2o git his head blow fakkig OFF!

"sIXtieS meNatLity?" Dude, yer bio says yer 40 fakking 5 (45). Yoo didn't serve in ANY war thanks t2o dat "sixties mentality".

FORD, you better ban this guy 'thome' f4or trolling and/or "stupidity" or I may never post here again...tit's not worth it (posting) with dis kinda garbage.

Dude, why don't you go t2o sum pumped up, brianwashed GI Website where the geeks on those boards will welcome your simple explanations f4or their deaths, wounds, service, bad pay (but they got those college benefits, babyee), and crumbling country at home.

It's o1ne thing t2o have free speech and another point of view, but yoo're just STUPID!

"Let's play fun time..." Yeh, let's play da fun time when American 'insurgents' meet yoo in da street and blow yer fakking head aff wit da new civil "war". Hey, aff yer 45 and yoo never served in Vietnam or any 'war' dis can be YER 'war', baybee.

Tit's good f4or yoo t2o remind mme daily yer out there so I keep mmy carbine polished and ready.

[Seshmeister]

Let's pick one at random...and see where Google takes us



Suzanne Calley

42 year old Cisco employee.

Her online guestbook with about 50 entries

http://www.legacy.com/Guestbook.asp?PersonID=91743

http://livingtributes.com/livingtribute.php?memid=693

Suzanne Calley, age 42, lived with her husband, Frank Jensen, in the rural community of San Martin, just south of San Jose. She loved the outdoors, skiing near Lake Tahoe in the winter and scuba diving whenever she could--Monterey, Hawaii, Belize. The couple were diving in the Caribbean not long before she went to Washington.
A California native and Cal State Chico graduate, she worked for the San Jose computer networking giant Cisco Systems in strategic marketing.

"Suzanne's energy and enthusiasm were contagious," Cisco said in a statement. "She was highly respected by her friends and colleagues and her presence will be greatly missed by all."

"She was vivacious, full of fun, ready to go and organized, happy," said her next-door neighbor, Diana Christie.

She also leaves behind her father, mother and brother. "I loved her more than life itself," her husband said in a statement. Their 20th wedding anniversary was Wednesday

From a conspiracy site...

http://www.rense.com/general68/ree.htm

Flight 77 passenger, Suzanne Calley's, wedding ring and driver's license turns up in perfect condition from Pentagon wreckage. ATM card of Flight 11 passenger, Waleed Iskandar, also turns up unscathed, but he wasn't even listed as a passenger on the AA official flight list.


Capt. Jim Ingledue of the Virginia Beach Fire Department and 9/11 first responder recently reported he found the completely unblemished California ID card of a Flight 77 passenger amidst the devastation and rubble at the Pentagon.

Critics were quick to jump on what they called "another miraculous find," claiming it was just another indication of bogus evidence planted by FBI, including the unscathed passport found outside the WTC of one of the hijackers, Satum AL Suqami, the luggage of Muhammad Atta with blatant incriminating evidence and the perfectly intact Wells Fargo ATM card of Walled Iskandar, one of the Flight 11 passengers.
Frank Calley of San Martin, California, this week told another family member who lost a loved one on 9/11 that all three items were returned in perfectly good condition, a recovery even Capt. Ingledue said was "strange and unbelievable" considering the meltdown at the Pentagon.

Calley, however, didn't question the authenticity or believability of the items found, but added when questioned whether his wife's body was positively identified in the rubble:

"They told me they found her remains, but I decided not to look. The Pentagon officials also said the remains of at least 19 others on board the plane were also identified by a military medical group.

"Immediately after the crash, I was assigned a personal liaison who handled my case. He was cooperative and helpful and I decided I didn't want to see Suzanne's remains."

What's strange about the autopsy investigation is that none of the family members, including Calley, have demanded an independent investigation, relying solely on government medical reporting as advised by the Pentagon liaisons, a personal military attaché conveniently provided for each individual family.

Cisco dedicate their annual report to her and she was an executive.

She obviously existed and then disappeared after 9-11 with her wedding ring recovered.

So if a cruise missile hit the Pentagon what happened to Suzanne?

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
So all we need to do to disprove all of this is find someone who definitely lost someone on one of the planes?

Or did they march the passengers out of Cleveland and shoot them?

They're dead. Butt not in dat EMPTY hole in PENNSYLVANIA!

[Nickdfresh]

This is all just conjecture, and faulty logical comparisons...

And example would be the "a plane could never disappear" inside the Pentagon hole (which is clearly bigger than what the narrator states in the "documentary"). Of course, jets frequently disintegrate and "disappear" on impact... (See photos from Value Jet FL 592 for instance)

What he leaves out is that the Greek flight steward with pilot training was trying to put the plane down, but ran out of fuel, so the plane didn't hit dead on.

Or the fact that the pilot that flew into the Pentagon orbited DC numerous times trying to find the White House. I seriously doubt he executed a sharp turn as stated...

[thome]

Originally posted by Phil theStalker
I cun't help butt think dat a mman who spews f4orth da virtues aff war, and ya cun't stop wars, and wars are all da 'same', doon't deserve t2o git his head blow fakkig OFF!

"sIXtieS meNatLity?" Dude, yer bio says yer 40 fakking 5 (45). Yoo didn't serve in ANY war thanks t2o dat "sixties mentality".

FORD, you better ban this guy 'thome' f4or trolling and/or "stupidity" or I may never post here again...tit's not worth it (posting) with dis kinda garbage.

Dude, why don't you go t2o sum pumped up, brianwashed GI Website where the geeks on those boards will welcome your simple explanations f4or their deaths, wounds, service, bad pay (but they got those college benefits, babyee), and crumbling country at home.

It's o1ne thing t2o have free speech and another point of view, but yoo're just STUPID!

"Let's play fun time..." Yeh, let's play da fun time when American 'insurgents' meet yoo in da street and blow yer fakking head aff wit da new civil "war". Hey, aff yer 45 and yoo never served in Vietnam or any 'war' dis can be YER 'war', baybee.

Tit's good f4or yoo t2o remind mme daily yer out there so I keep mmy carbine polished and ready.

Your last sentence proves my point you would kill me for the thought that war is a natural occurence in the Human Condition

Just remember peace queer i have just enough ammo to blow your head off at 500 yards and steal your out of date short range carbine...silly man.

askin to ban me when your general post thought is strangely sadistic
all of them.

[jhale667]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I seriously doubt he executed a sharp turn as stated...

No, it's not even physically possible. The aviation experts they spoke with said a fighter plane would have a hard time pulling it off, and a commercial airliner would have broken apart in mid-air attempting such a maneuver. An unmanned drone though....hmmmm

Truth is, we'll probably never know...but are you willing to accept W's version of events without even a LITTLE skepticism? Question EVERYTHING.

[thome]

Originally posted by jhale667
No, it's not even physically possible. The aviation experts they spoke with said a fighter plane would have a hard time pulling it off, and a commercial airliner would have broken apart in mid-air attempting such a maneuver. An unmanned drone though....hmmmm

Truth is, we'll probably never know...but are you willing to accept W's version of events without even a LITTLE skepticism? Question EVERYTHING.

I believe in questioning everthing but do you all think its that hard to pull this off is it totaly impossible to do what was done .

Is their a time when you can say i am open to diff ideas but
i watched it happen on tv the planes were hijacked and flown into
these four places.

I would consider Bush hired these dudes to do this conspiracy
alot easier than it was not a airplane that i saw.

And as for Bush hired these dudes there are enough crazies in the world and individuals that hate one and another and us to worry
about setting up this to stimulate a war. Wait long enough and history will happen again .as in I dont have to hire someone to rob my place
of business to collect insurance some asshole will come by soon
enough.Shoot me in the face and take everthing i have.

just a dose of reality....

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by thome


just a dose of reality....

Oh, the irony......

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by thome
I believe in questioning everthing but do you all think its that hard to pull this off is it totaly impossible to do what was done .
.

Is English your first language?

Nevermind.....

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by jhale667


Truth is, we'll probably never know...but are you willing to accept W's version of events without even a LITTLE skepticism? Question EVERYTHING.

Exactly.

Their credibility has eroded so much over the last 5 years I wouldn't trust anything that comes from this administration.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Phil theStalker


FORD, you better ban this guy 'thome' f4or trolling and/or "stupidity" or I may never post here again...tit's not worth it (posting) with dis kinda garbage.

You know damn well I can't ban anybody, Phil.

But I'd kill for a troll filter. Confine them to the dump or the Sheep Pen or something.

[FORD]

Originally posted by thome


Is their a time when you can say i am open to diff ideas but
i watched it happen on tv the planes were hijacked and flown into
these four places.

I would consider Bush hired these dudes to do this conspiracy
alot easier than it was not a airplane that i saw.

You saw ONE airplane, not four. And eyewitnesses said it was not a passenger plane, but a cargo jet with no windows. Forget what the media whores tell you. Look at the FACTS, not the spin.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by FORD
You saw ONE airplane, not four.

By that time of the morning he was well into his second 18 pack of Schmidts.

I don't doubt he saw FOUR pink airplanes by then....