Introducing The Amazing Penta-lawn 2000!!!

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
I had no problem watching planes fly into the towers on video tape.

The tapes exist.

I meant the security camera at the Pentagon that missed the impact.

Those cameras have really low frame rates.

[Hardrock69]

Originally posted by DR CHIP
To believe any conspiracy theory on the 9/11 attacks takes in my opinion more mind bending exercise and extreme distortion of reality than it takes to believe the official record...I stand open minded but completely unconvinced at the present of any conspiracy....

Busheep do not have much of a mind.

BAAAAAA!!!

[thome]

Why has the speed of the planes gone from 250 mph to 500
you cats crack me up its not that hard to fly a plane.and i believe
a passenger jet only needs about 135 mph to lift off.
75mph for a small plane..15 mph for a hang glider..ASSHOLES!!!WTF

I do also believe its not that hard to hijack a airplane
and fly it into a standing building.

Lets examine the facts.....Riddle me this??? how hard is it to take
over a plane that is already in the air at level flight.?

How hard is it to turn said plane and fly it into a building..?

Remember you CRAZY CATZZ!! take off and landing is the hard part!!!!!

That is why i will always call hijackers pussie MFkers they let the real pilots do the hard work COCK SUKKIN SHIT BURGLIN SAND APES!!!

I bet 5 bucks without doing any research those planes each
were not hijacked or under the control of the highjackers for
more than 20 min.

Total air time from lift off to impact.. 1 hr.... under hijacker control """"""maybe 20 min""""""".

So the air force had 20 min to get in the air find planes and shoot them down.... Impossible.

So next post a theory that we as humans are to stupid to cut one million 6by6 blocks and stack them in a pyramid over 30 years
and call it the giza plateau

And that the moon landing was faked you all underestimate the
ultra violence and ultra reality of our amazing human condition.

Roth On... Twerps!!!!

When the smoke clears from your mind you will understand
the thome is not lying to you and he loves you and wants the
best for you ...the non.... believers ......Yeah Tho!


PLEASE ASK ME personally ANY QUESTION I WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH
mind... easing... soft.... reality ...and the pain will stop..

this is a hard read i apologize..

[thome]

Oh yeah one more thing

Please for gods sake do not forget on any given day and on that day
over the US are always --3500--- individual planes in the air, not counting
the ones off shore heading in to land in our fair and beautiful country.

All of wich on Bushes order were safely landed in --3-- hrs a testimate
to the flight controllers and air traffic controllers of the finest country
in all of the world, all of wich should be given a medal for bravery
steadfast attention to detail under extreme pressure.

[diamondD]

I can't believe there are some people in here who I give credit for having some intelligence still going on about it wasn't the same commercial airliner in the official story.


There were witnesses to the plane hitting the building:

Eye Witness Testimony

Lets look at some eye witness testimony sticking only to people who saw a plane hit the building, and not look at people who saw an airliner, but didn't see an airplane hit the building because they looked away or were too far away (behind a hill, behind a building, etc) to see it actually hit the building.


"Aydan Kizildrgli, an English language student who is a native of Turkey, saw the jetliner bank slightly then strike a western wall of the huge five-sided building that is the headquarters of the nation's military. 'There was a big boom,' he said. 'Everybody was in shock. I turned around to the car behind me and yelled "Did you see that?" Nobody could believe it.'"
- "Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'." USA Today, 11 Sep 2001

"Frank Probst, an information management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, he suddenly saw a commercial airliner crest the hilltop Navy Annex. American Airlines Flight 77 reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine."
- "A Defiant Recovery." The Retired Officer Magazine, January 2002

"Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass on the other side of the road when the plane flew over his head. 'It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane,' Mr Campo said. 'I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

"Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. 'There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

"Henry Ticknor, intern minister at the Unitarian Universalist Church of Arlington, Virginia, was driving to church that Tuesday morning when American Airlines Flight 77 came in fast and low over his car and struck the Pentagon. 'There was a puff of white smoke and then a huge billowing black cloud,' he said."
- "Hell on Earth." UU World, Jan/Feb 20

"We were the only people, we think, who saw it live," Dan Creed said. He and two colleagues from Oracle software were stopped in a car near the Naval Annex, next to the Pentagon, when they saw the plane dive down and level off. "It was no more than 30 feet off the ground, and it was screaming. It was just screaming. It was nothing more than a guided missile at that point," Creed said. "I can still see the plane. I can still see it right now. It's just the most frightening thing in the world, going full speed, going full throttle, its wheels up," - Ahwatukee Foothill News

Gary Bauer former Presidential candidate, "I looked at the woman sitting in the car next to me. She had this startled look on her face. We were all thinking the same thing. We looked out the front of our windows to try to see the plane, and it wasn�t until a few seconds later that we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon. The blast literally rocked all of our cars. It was an incredible moment." Massachusetts News

Sean Boger, Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief - "I just looked up and I saw the big nose and the wings of the aircraft coming right at us and I just watched it hit the building," Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief Sean Boger said. "It exploded. I fell to the ground and covered my head. I could actually hear the metal going through the building." dcmilitary.com November 16, 2001

"The only way you could tell that an aircraft was inside was that we saw pieces of the nose gear. The devastation was horrific. It was obvious that some of the victims we found had no time to react. The distance the firefighters had to travel down corridors to reach the fires was a problem. With only a good 25 minutes of air in their SCBA bottles, to save air they left off their face pieces as they walked and took in a lot of smoke," Captain Defina said. Captain Defina was the shift commander [of an aircraft rescue firefighters crew.] NFPA Journal November 1, 2001

That's just a small smattering of people who have gone on record as seeing the plane, and the plane hit the Pentagon. I could have included the dozens of people who saw the plane, but didn't see it hit (because it went behind a bridge, a hill, or some trees), but I choose only to post the ones that sounded the most valid and actually saw the plane hit the building. (I included the one firechief who states he saw some plane wreckage during firefighting/rescue attempts.) There are most likely twenty times more that either haven't been publicly recorded as seeing the crash, or simply don't want the attention.


You can't honeslty sit there and deny the witnesses, the photographs, the facts, the science, and the reality that there was a terrorist attack on the Pentagon if you look at everything available and not one single tidbit of information at a time.

[diamondD]

I've already told FORD a dozen times I had a friend who's dad was in the Pentagon and confirmed the plane, didn't matter.

These past couple of weeks I've been dealing with the suicide of a manic friend/co-worker. When a few of us were together, I met a girl and she was telling me she was living in DC when it happened. She went outside on the phone with her mom and saw the low flying jet. She didn't see it hit, but she knew it was the plane. And it was a commercial airliner.

You people with no proof other than "possibilities" are letting your blind hatred for Bush make you believe stuff that isn't there. And that makes you more sheep than anyone else.

The only government involvement that day was their inability to protect the country.

[diamondD]

Top Secret

Conclusion
I highly doubt that local firefighters would be involved in any sort of a coverup. I highly doubt that local police officers would be involved in any sort of a government cover up. Cops and firemen are just average Joes like you and me, who go home to the wife and kids, and just try to make a living and have a good life for their families (I have many friends in both professions - of course the firemen are usually more stable marriage-wise because of their job but that doesn't make the cops any less human than you or I). The men and women who pulled over a hundred people (dead and alive) out of that building would more likely than not have noticed somebody carrying over 60 bodies into the middle of the fire they were fighting. To say that the plane that hit the Pentagon was not filled with every single person who died in this terrorist attack (not counting the unfortunate people inside the building) is one thing and one thing only - ignorant.

Review the facts

Size of 757 matches the initial size of hole in the building - somewhere between 13 and 16 feet (757 is 13 feet wide/high)

Rims found in building match those of a 757

Small turbine engine outside is an APU

Same engine has been clearly stated to not match a Global Hawk engine

Blue seats from 757 laying on ground in photos

Part of "American" fuselage logo visible in more than 1 photo

Engine parts photographed inside match a Rolls-Royce RB211

Structural components photographed in wreckage match Boeing paint primer schemes

Large deisel generator in front of building hit by a large heavy object

Large deisel engine outside is spun towards the building - could not be result of bomb blast or missile explosion

Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner

Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner hit the Pentagon

60+ bodies, matching the passenger list and flight crew roster identified and returned to families from Pentagon wreckage


You cannot dispute the facts, a 757 hit the Pentagon killing everyone onboard and many inside the building. It was a terrorist attack and the only fault with the government here is with their failure to prevent or stop it

[thome]

Great posts DD, I just can't believe how people complicate things, all of these things that were done are not that hard to do The detractors
make it like this was impossible to do .wtf.

As far as the inability to protect our country we look out to see who is attacking inward a big mistake but understandable.

I am going to say something stupid and hope i am forgiven.

I am shure the pilots are instructed -Do what the hijackers say- we(the
govt will take over when you land the plane)The problem here was
the hijackers had no intention of landing, this may not have been apparent till the last 5 min of the situation.

So here is my bad words, I don't blame anyone but maybe the protecting of our country was in the hands of the Pilots and passengers.They had no training but they maybe could have done more. I would be a dead soldier because sometimes i react without
thinking i am not shure but i would attack at any chance to put these
MF hijackers out of -my- misery.I would have snapped thier necks
a box cutter would only wound me if they had a gun I may have taken
one for the team and then snapped his neck.

WE all as a country must come together as a force united if we are
going to keep america from becomeing a bombers playground.

I think part of the war in afganistan and iraq is simple fuk with the bull
and get the horn. Lashing out. I hope no more of this happens
because some nut bags will start going around killing innocent
arabs just because they are.

[FORD]

Originally posted by thome

I do also believe its not that hard to hijack a airplane
and fly it into a standing building.

OK then. Why don't you and the other trolls go try that, and then report back to us?

[thome]

Originally posted by FORD
OK then. Why don't you and the other trolls go try that, and then report back to us?

Nanny Nanny DOO DOOO!

I figured you would post something like -A lot of innocent arabs are
being killed by the BCE- as per my last sentence.?

Instead of this third grade BS i'm looking at .

[Nickdfresh]

Here's some more rebuttal of the bogus...

Myth: Air defense fighters could have easily intercepted three airliners with their transponders turned off...

No Stand-Down Order
CLAIM: No fighter jets were scrambled from any of the 28 Air Force bases within close range of the four hijacked flights. "On 11 September Andrews had two squadrons of fighter jets with the job of protecting the skies over Washington D.C.," says the Web site emperors-clothes.com. "They failed to do their job." "There is only one explanation for this," writes Mark R. Elsis of StandDown.net. "Our Air Force was ordered to Stand Down on 9/11."

FACT: On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. "They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; at 9:21 am to inform the agency, mistakenly, that Flight 11 was headed for Washington (the plane had hit the North Tower 35 minutes earlier); and at 9:41 am to (erroneously) identify Delta Air Lines Flight 1989 from Boston as a possible hijacking. The New York ATC called NEADS at 9:03 am to report that United Flight 175 had been hijacked--the same time the plane slammed into the South Tower. Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va. None of the fighters got anywhere near the pirated planes.

Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them.

http://www.perspectives.com/forums/forum71/46245.html

[Nickdfresh]

THE PENTAGON
At 9:37 am on 9/11, 51 minutes after the first plane hit the World Trade Center, the Pentagon was similarly attacked. Though dozens of witnesses saw a Boeing 757 hit the building, conspiracy advocates insist there is evidence that a missile or a different type of plane smashed into the Pentagon.


PHOTOGRAPH BY DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE

Big Plane, Small Holes
CLAIM: Two holes were visible in the Pentagon immediately after the attack: a 75-ft.-wide entry hole in the building's exterior wall, and a 16-ft.-wide hole in Ring C, the Pentagon's middle ring. Conspiracy theorists claim both holes are far too small to have been made by a Boeing 757. "How does a plane 125 ft. wide and 155 ft. long fit into a hole which is only 16 ft. across?" asks reopen911.org, a Web site "dedicated to discovering the bottom line truth to what really occurred on September 11, 2001."

The truth is of even less importance to French author Thierry Meyssan, whose baseless assertions are fodder for even mainstream European and Middle Eastern media. In his book The Big Lie, Meyssan concludes that the Pentagon was struck by a satellite-guided missile--part of an elaborate U.S. military coup. "This attack," he writes, "could only be committed by United States military personnel against other U.S. military personnel."

FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.

Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."

The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide--not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.

HOLE TRUTH: Flight 77’s landing gear punched a 12-ft. hole into the Pentagon’s Ring C.

From: http://www.perspectives.com/forums/forum71/46245.html

[thome]

Common sense is not a very common occurence in a uncommon world.

Five..

[diamondD]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
I believe they were shot down by our own planes.

Can you post a link anywhere for me that says ANY passenger remains were brought out of the Pentagon?

Or were the all incinerated in that 15 foot wide hole?

:confused:

I posted a link that says they removed the remains and ID'd them.

Still having trouble believing it was a passenger jet?

[Guitar Shark]

FORD, do you believe that U.S. astronauts have ever landed on the moon and returned to earth?