Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel: "The President is "disconnected from reality."

[LoungeMachine]

Absolutely.

Let's.

How you think it makes your case for pre-emptive overthrow and occupation in 2003, and blaming it on any so called "war on terror" and invoking 9/11 every other breath is beyond me.


If you still defend, excuse, and or justify this war, you're beyond pity.

[Warham]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Absolutely.

Let's.

How you think it makes your case for pre-emptive overthrow and occupation in 2003, and blaming it on any so called "war on terror" and invoking 9/11 every other breath is beyond me.


If you still defend, excuse, and or justify this war, you're beyond pity.

Oh, I can still do all those things, and much, much more.

1991 is just the beginning...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
From what I understand, Truman's the one who initiated helping the French in Vietnam, not Eisenhower.

Truman tolerated the FRENCH based on the same anti-Communist hysteria taking hold at the time after the fall of CHINA, and the Korean War, in South East Asia...

But yes, he did allow the French to go back into Vietnam, which was their colonial 'possession' until the Japanese decided the Vichy armistice didn't apply to them... So I'll grant you that...

It was E who increased aid to the French after he took office in 1952. Much of France's early efforts were financed by Truman's aid there.

True, to an extent. But the French fell at Dien Bien Phu, and Ike decided to not get involved, to make a long story short, a corrupt joke of an idiot came to power as emperor (Bao Dai), and he was quickly replaced by a series of corrupt dictators...

A democratic election was to held to decide Vietnam's fate, and Ike called it off fearing Ho Chi Minh would win it... Had he allowed it to happen, Ho may not have gone over to the Communist side... (he even borrowed extracts from the US Constitution to appeal to us, a fact we like to ignore.)

[FORD]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh

A democratic election was to held to decide Vietnam's fate, and Ike called it off fearing Ho Chi Minh would win it... Had he allowed it to happen, Ho may not have gone over to the Communist side... (he even borrowed extracts from the US Constitution to appeal to us, a fact we like to ignore.)

Similar in many ways to Castro asking the Eisenhower administration to help him against the fascist Batitsta regime. They turned Fidel down, and Nikita Kruschev bailed him out. Giving the Communists a Cold War front 90 miles from the American mainland in the process.

Which goes to show that BCE foreign policy has always had fatal flaws. You would think they would learn......

[Warham]

Truman was BCE? I would guess that would mean Roosevelt was BCE as well, right?

[blueturk]

Originally posted by Warham
I would say that Iraq (when Saddam was still running the show) was more of a threat to our national security than North Vietnam ever was.

And I would say that Iran is a much bigger threat than Iraq ever was. Why aren't we invading that country and proclaiming fucking "Mission Accomplished"? Why the kid gloves? Your idiotic "leader" started a war just because he WANTED to. Because he had a hard-on for Saddam....

"Iran would be dangerous if they have a nuclear weapon." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., June 18, 2003

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Warham
Truman was BCE? I would guess that would mean Roosevelt was BCE as well, right?

Lincoln was BCE


Booth was acting on orders from moveon.org.

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by ct2kc1111
Stop talking about yourself like that, man. Get a real opinion and state it, rather than these stupid 3rd grade comments. Democrats and their supporters are soft ass pussies, face it. Disagree with Bush or Conservatives if you wish but at least he had the balls to do something. "Let's 'negotiate' with terrorists.." . Ridiculous. Grow a set and then talk to me.

Yeah, I really respect people who can come to a conclusion and then prove it. And then start a war that killed thousands, wasted billions, and threatens to plunge the entire region into civil war.

But at least he did something. Whew!

I was waited to for us to kill more brown people after that little camping trip we had in afghanistan. How'd that turn out anyway?

[blueturk]

Originally posted by ct2kc1111
Stop talking about yourself like that, man. Get a real opinion and state it, rather than these stupid 3rd grade comments. Democrats and their supporters are soft ass pussies, face it. Disagree with Bush or Conservatives if you wish but at least he had the balls to do something. "Let's 'negotiate' with terrorists.." . Ridiculous. Grow a set and then talk to me.

Sure, dumbfuck. Democrats are pussies. Thank God you sheep have a real man in the White House. A fucking draft-dodging ex-college cheerleader who can't even eat a fucking pretzel without getting hurt (if that's what really happened). Hell yeah, real men start a war with no strategy whatsoever except to get rid of Hussein, and then make up the rest as they go along. I'll bet you've seen quite a few sets of balls in your lifetime, up close. REAL close. Fucking pussy-ass sheep.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by blueturk
Sure, dumbfuck. Democrats are pussies. Thank God you sheep have a real man in the White House. A fucking draft-dodging ex-college cheerleader who can't even eat a fucking pretzel without getting hurt (if that's what really happened). Hell yeah, real men start a war with no strategy whatsoever except to get rid of Hussein, and then make up the rest as they go along. I'll bet you've seen quite a few sets of balls in your lifetime, up close. REAL close. Fucking pussy-ass sheep.

Where did you get your debating skills... out of a box of Fruit Loops? Name- calling is unnecessary....unless I do it. :D

[FORD]

Originally posted by Warham
Truman was BCE? I would guess that would mean Roosevelt was BCE as well, right?

Eisenhower was BCE. I didn't mention Truman or Roosevelt at all.

Remember that Roosevelt defeated the fascist madman funded by the BCE, and Truman defeated their partners in Japan.

[blueturk]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Where did you get your debating skills... out of a box of Fruit Loops? Name- calling is unnecessary....unless I do it. :D

I wasn't debating ct2kc1111, I was calling him out on being a true sheep, defending his leader against all logic.If you want to see Froot-Loopian debate, wait for his response...

[Warham]

Originally posted by FORD
Eisenhower was BCE. I didn't mention Truman or Roosevelt at all.

Remember that Roosevelt defeated the fascist madman funded by the BCE, and Truman defeated their partners in Japan.

Truman started the US interference in Vietnam. Eisenhower only escalated it.

If you say that Eisenhower was part of the BCE, then so is Truman by connecting the dots.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Where did you get your debating skills... out of a box of Fruit Loops?

Is this where you're getting your college degree?

[Warham]

I can't believe I'm even debating the 'BCE' with FORD...

::sigh::