Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel: "The President is "disconnected from reality."

[Warham]

It didn't need to be a 'circle jerk' if you wouldn't argue with me over my ORIGINAL and only point: A DEMOCRAT got us started over in Vietnam. Now after this 'circle jerk', you've come around to say that FDR started it all over there, not Truman or Eisenhower.

Now, who's right again?

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
It didn't need to be a circle jerk if you wouldn't argue with me over my original point: A DEMOCRAT got us started over in Vietnam. Now after this 'circle jerk', you've come around to say that FDR started it all over there.

Now, who's right again?

You didn't say "a DEMOCRAT," you said JFK/LBJ, which is incorrect. And stop with the semantics pissing contest already...

LBJ was the the first to send combat ground forces (the 1st AIR CAV to the Ia Drang Valley --see "We Were Soldiers" for more info), but IKE "initiated" what KENNEDY continued, that led to direct American involvement in the Vietnamese War...

I know my Vietnam inside out...

P.S. There are persistent rumors that JFK was thinking of pulling all support for the Saigon regime after DIEM was assassinated... This is what fueled the conspiracy theories that Oliver Stone has perpetuated...

[Warham]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
You just admitted you were wrong, and ignorant of the Vietnam War history (like 90% of Americans who wanted to 'save a land from Communism' that they couldn't be bothered to find on a map.) WWII "initiated our involvement," not a president, but we didn't need to continue... That was the conscious choice.

No, I can find Vietnam on a map quite easily, but that's a nice try at attacking me personally.

[Warham]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
You didn't say "a DEMOCRAT," you said JFK/LBJ, which is incorrect. And stop with the semantics pissing contest already...

LBJ was the the first to send combat ground forces (the 1st AIR CAV to the Ia Drang Valley --see "We Were Soldiers" for more info), but IKE "initiated" what KENNEDY continued, that led to direct American involvement that led to the Vietnamese War...

I know my Vietnam inside out...

I think you better go back and read my first post in this thread...

Originally posted by Warham
Yep, Democrats started that war that killed 56,000 back in the 1960's.

You might know your Vietnam inside and out, but you sure don't know this thread inside and out.

Instead of agreeing with me, you went into saying sarcastically, 'Oh, was Eisenhower a Democrat?'

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
No, I can find Vietnam on a map quite easily, but that's a nice try at attacking me personally.

It's nothing personal, ignorance is not a comment on intelligence...

But it's true that most people devolve Vietnam into simplistic partisan BS without ever understanding what went on over there...

[Warham]

I'll just drop it.

If I accuse Democrats of anything unholy, I'll get reamed around here by the 'nonpartisan' members of the forum.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
I think you better go back and read my first post in this thread...
Instead of agreeing with me, you went into saying sarcastically, 'Oh, was Eisenhower a Democrat?'

How is this in any way correct? Democrats started the War??? The War was always there. Democrats and Republicans kept us involved in it.

They didn't start anything...

You are ignorant, because you view everything through the simplistic prism of an American bias...

Firstly, who was screaming about fighting communism all through the fifties??? Democrats?

Which Republicans in congress stood up against our involvement in Vietnam? They were the ones screaming about continuing the War, what was their alternative??

Which Democratic president destroyed every American principle by cancelling free and fair Democratic elections in the late 1950s? There would have been no War.

[Warham]

Gee, I'm American, and yet I view things from an American perspective...

Fascinating.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
I'll just drop it.

If I accuse Democrats of anything unholy, I'll get reamed around here by the 'nonpartisan' members of the forum.

You weren't accusing Democrats of being "unholy," most politicians are unholy; especially the ones that claim to be the most 'holy.' (Frist, Allen, Bush)...

No. You were trying to lay the singular blame of Vietnam on "Democrats," which is unfair and untrue historically speaking... It was a fully bipartisan fuck-fest of hell and stupidity. And I just mentioned that it was JOHNSON that sent American Soldiers into large scale combat (1965, the "first year" of "the war") because the ARVN forces were corrupt and lacking...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
Gee, I'm American, and yet I view things from an American perspective...

Fascinating.

Not 'perspective,' myopic BIAS... You fail to look at things from others' points of view, and put yourself in their place...

And, fail to see that the War was there long before America involved itself...

[Warham]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
You weren't accusing Democrats of being "unholy," most politicians are unholy; especially the ones that claim to be the most 'holy.' (Frist, Allen, Bush)...

Oh please. Isn't Hillary, you favorite politician, running around quoting the Bible right now?

[Warham]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Not 'perspective,' myopic BIAS... You fail to look at things from others' points of view, and put yourself in their place...

And, fail to see that the War was there long before America involved itself...

Yeah, I'm American, and I have an American BIAS. Shoot me. I'm sorry if I'm not an internationalist, like most liberals are.

What do you mean, I failed to see it. I knew that the French were there and gone long before our troops showed up. My dad told me that years before I ever took a history class in school.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
Oh please. Isn't Hillary, you favorite politician, running around quoting the Bible right now?

I thought you were "done" with this thread...

Yeah, HILLARY is so much my favorite politician that I bring her up every thread --hey, wait a minute!!

Dude, get help. You really have a serious obsession with HILLARY (as well as BILL)...

Must be those cankles and cigars...

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Warham


. Shoot me. .

Thought you'd never ask .


Warpig

[Warham]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I thought you were "done" with this thread...

Yeah, HILLARY is so much my favorite politician that I bring her up every thread --hey, wait a minute!!

Dude, get help. You really have a serious obsession with HILLARY (as well as BILL)...

Must be those cankles and cigars...

Why are you posting your high school yearbook picture?

I don't care what you look like.