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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10625

    You call this abuse?

    You call this abuse?
    Jun 2, 2006
    by Rich Tucker (

    Finally, members of the ACLU, U.N., EU and the rest of the America-bashing alphabet soup can relax. After years of carping, they’ve been vindicated: There’s prisoner abuse at Guantanamo Bay.
    The U.S. military says 89 detainees at the facility, which houses some 460 enemy combatants captured on the battlefield, are starving -- possibly to death. Oh, but that’s not the abuse. After all, the hungry prisoners are actually starving themselves. They’re on a hunger strike.

    The supposed abuse? American forces are feeding their prisoners, by force if necessary.

    Such life-preserving measures are too much for some doctors. In March more than 250 medical professionals signed an open letter to the British medical journal The Lancet. “We urge the U.S. government to ensure that detainees are assessed by independent physicians and that techniques such as force-feeding and restraint chairs are abandoned,” the doctors wrote. They insist that, if the prisoners want to starve themselves to death, they ought to be allowed to.


    Many Americans would probably agree. Few would stand in the way of detained terrorists who want to kill themselves (without taking anyone else with them). Maybe we could even provide some tall buildings in case the prisoners want to jump off. Not one of these prisoners is incapacitated, as Terri Schiavo was. They’re all capable of taking action.

    But that assumes these men are really trying to kill themselves. In fact they just seem to be attempting to get some press. “The hunger-strike technique is consistent with al Qaeda practice,” Navy Cmdr. Robert Durand told reporters, “and reflects detainee attempts to elicit media attention to bring international pressure on the United States to release them back to the battlefield.”

    The prisoners’ ploy is certainly falling on fertile ground. Plenty of international organizations want these men released.

    Amnesty International insists Guantanamo Bay “must be closed down” in part because many “detainees allege they have been subjected to torture or other cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment.” Torture -- which in this case involves being fed.

    Human Rights Watch is even more direct. “Any detainees implicated in criminal acts can and should be charged now. The rest should be released,” Joanne Mariner, the group’s terrorism and counterterrorism program director, wrote last month.

    Of course, most of the Guantanamo detainees were captured on the battlefield. They’re not criminals -- they’re prisoners of war. We’re not looking to “book them,” we simply need to detain them so they can’t go back to the battlefield and kill Americans.

    And the number of people we’ve actually held is pretty small. Last month the military announced that only 759 people have spent time at Gitmo. Hundreds have already been freed and an additional 136 detainees will be released or transferred as soon as their home countries agree to accept and treat them humanely, according to Navy Lt. Cmdr. Chito Peppler.

    Meanwhile, far from being a hell hole, Gitmo is a model of a humane prison. Detainees eat (if they want to) three balanced meals a day. Each detainee gets a Koran (in his home language) and a surgical mask to store it in (so “infidels” won’t defile it by touching it). There’s a call to prayer five times a day, and guards are instructed to remain quiet during prayers. Two thirds of detainees have a prayer rug, perfume oil and prayer beads. Sounds posh enough as prisons go.

    Still, the U.N. Commission on Human Rights claims prisoners have been tortured, even though nobody from the commission actually visited Gitmo to look around. Former military officer Dana Dillon did. And he’s not alone.

    “More than 1,000 journalists have visited Gitmo, plus 11 senators, 77 congressmen, 99 congressional staffers, and, of course, lawyers for the detainees,” Dillon wrote last year. “The prisoners there were treated humanely and justly, living in conditions that meet -- indeed, far exceed -- Geneva Convention standards for prisoner treatment.”

    As at any prison, there can be violence. Some detainees clashed with guards last month after two had attempted to kill themselves by overdosing on anti-depressant drugs they collected from other prisoners. There’s an example of abuse, American-military style: We give prisoners Prozac so they won’t be depressed.

    The American way of war is unique. We do what we need to do to defeat our enemies, but we also bend over backward to prevent unnecessary deaths. The fine folks at the international pressure groups that love to criticize the U.S. can only hope if they’re ever detained it’s by our military, and not by the head-hackers who are our enemies in this Long War.


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  • binnie
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • May 2006
    • 19145

    #2
    YAWN
    The Power Of The Riff Compels Me

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    • LoungeMachine
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Jul 2004
      • 32576

      #3
      Re: You call this abuse?

      Originally posted by BigBadBrian



      Of course, most of the Guantanamo detainees were captured on the battlefield. They’re not criminals -- they’re prisoners of war.

      Most?

      Really?

      Hmmm.


      Then why was Rummy so quick to call them "enemy combatants" to circumvent the Geneva Convention?
      Originally posted by Kristy
      Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
      Originally posted by cadaverdog
      I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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      • LoungeMachine
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Jul 2004
        • 32576

        #4
        Originally posted by binnie
        YAWN
        Agreed.

        But there is at least some "news" in this drivel, and some points worth debating.
        Originally posted by Kristy
        Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
        Originally posted by cadaverdog
        I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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        • binnie
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • May 2006
          • 19145

          #5
          Originally posted by LoungeMachine
          Agreed.

          But there is at least some "news" in this drivel, and some points worth debating.
          Agreed, but I'm just sick of people defending this massive disregard of human rights.....
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          • LoungeMachine
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Jul 2004
            • 32576

            #6
            Originally posted by binnie
            Agreed, but I'm just sick of people defending this massive disregard of human rights.....

            Imagine if you will, instead of IED roadside bombs, the "insurgents" were kidnapping and detaining US fighters, and treating them in a GITMO fashion...............


            So much for the "Do unto others" right-wing
            Originally posted by Kristy
            Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
            Originally posted by cadaverdog
            I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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            • binnie
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • May 2006
              • 19145

              #7
              Originally posted by LoungeMachine
              Imagine if you will, instead of IED roadside bombs, the "insurgents" were kidnapping and detaining US fighters, and treating them in a GITMO fashion...............


              So much for the "Do unto others" right-wing
              Couldn't agree more............
              The Power Of The Riff Compels Me

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              • jcook11
                Commando
                • Sep 2004
                • 1281

                #8
                Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                Imagine if you will, instead of IED roadside bombs, the "insurgents" were kidnapping and detaining US fighters, and treating them in a GITMO fashion...............


                So much for the "Do unto others" right-wing
                You don't think your "freedom fighter" buddies would love to capture an American soldier....They would have him all over Al Jazeera with guns pointed at his head. so far they've only been able to capture a few civillain workers and a couple of journalists.

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                • Redballjets88
                  Full Member Status

                  • Mar 2005
                  • 4469

                  #9
                  i dont understand why liberals get so pissed about how we supposedly are inhumane to our pow's or w/e they are, but never say a thing about when american citizens are on tv getting their fucking heads sawed off by swords.

                  why do they care more about the well being of people who wouldnt think twice about coming to america and blowing up themselves and killing americans, than americans that are being executed for no reason
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                  • knuckleboner
                    Crazy Ass Mofo
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 2927

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Redballjets88
                    i dont understand why liberals get so pissed about how we supposedly are inhumane to our pow's or w/e they are, but never say a thing about when american citizens are on tv getting their ------- heads sawed off by swords.

                    why do they care more about the well being of people who wouldnt think twice about coming to america and blowing up themselves and killing americans, than americans that are being executed for no reason

                    dude, 2 different issues, entirely. if what we're doing in cuba is right and moral, then it's right and moral. if it isn't, then whatever OTHER people do doesn't matter.

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                    • LoungeMachine
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 32576

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Redballjets88
                      i dont understand why........

                      Trust me. There's no end to the things you don't understand.


                      Read more books.


                      The Texas School System has failed you. I also blame your parents.
                      Originally posted by Kristy
                      Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                      Originally posted by cadaverdog
                      I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                      • Redballjets88
                        Full Member Status

                        • Mar 2005
                        • 4469

                        #12
                        Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                        Trust me. There's no end to the things you don't understand.


                        Read more books.


                        The Texas School System has failed you. I also blame your parents.


                        you are so unorignal its fucking funny. everytime i say anything you just say texas school systems blah blah, why dont you like actually make a intelligent responce for once? or is that too much for you?
                        R.I.P Van Halen 1978-1984

                        hopefully God will ressurect you

                        "i wont be messing with you in future.the fearsome redballjets88 for fear of you owning me some more" Axl S


                        " I liked Sammy Hagar " FORD

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                        • Redballjets88
                          Full Member Status

                          • Mar 2005
                          • 4469

                          #13
                          and saying there is no end to what i dont understand makes no sense, because there is no end to what everyone on earth can understand due to the fact that there are an infinent number of things out there for one to understand.

                          but good attempt at it. im sure one day something you say will bear some meaning
                          R.I.P Van Halen 1978-1984

                          hopefully God will ressurect you

                          "i wont be messing with you in future.the fearsome redballjets88 for fear of you owning me some more" Axl S


                          " I liked Sammy Hagar " FORD

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                          • LoungeMachine
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 32576

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Redballjets88
                            you are so unorignal its fucking funny. everytime i say anything you just say texas school systems blah blah, why dont you like actually make a intelligent responce for once? or is that too much for you?

                            Go back and read this post, and then talk to me about an "intelligent response"


                            You're an ignorant, uneducated dork.

                            You're in over your head, skippy.

                            The iotola said so.....

                            Originally posted by Kristy
                            Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                            Originally posted by cadaverdog
                            I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                            • Redballjets88
                              Full Member Status

                              • Mar 2005
                              • 4469

                              #15
                              im in over my head bc i have an opinion, and i voiced it? and my post wasnt a "responce" it was a comment.

                              and you use the fact that i am young to try and prove stupid points, when you use words such as dork.

                              i dont see why you are so incapable of having a somewhat intelligent conversation about anything instead of automatically being a douche about everything
                              R.I.P Van Halen 1978-1984

                              hopefully God will ressurect you

                              "i wont be messing with you in future.the fearsome redballjets88 for fear of you owning me some more" Axl S


                              " I liked Sammy Hagar " FORD

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