Elly's First Flame

[Nickdfresh]

Well, the beer, glue, and propane help anyways...

[Ellyllions]

So the President of Iran believes that chaos between the Muslim and the Jews will bring about the return of the Muslim messiah?

Would that be the rise of the Anti-Christ?

See, my intentions for this thread isn't to try to bring people to religion...it's an attempt to figure out what is going on by thinking the same way the Muslim extremeists are thinking in being at war with Israel.

To catch a thief you need to think like one right?

[Warham]

Originally posted by Ellyllions
Thome....I was raised in church. I firmly believe that my grandfather went straight to heaven when he died not because he was an elder in our church for most of his life, but because he kept an open mind about how that Holy Bible played out in human nature and history.

He taught me everything I came to know about Spirituality and how it relates to the soul. He also taught me that some of the knowlege you get from being Spiritual isn't given to you by a voicebox (minister, priest, whatever name they choose to be called by)...but more from your own heart when studying the Verses.

So you shouldn't be telling everyone that they need another human being to tell them what is right and wrong. The Bible plainly says that it's so easy that even a child can comprehend. And that's all we need to know. Over the centuries all messages become tainted with greed, power, and figurehead influences. I believe our concept of all Holy writings have had the same done to them. The truth is in one's heart, and each shall be judged by those truths as opposed to being led one way or another by a "leader".

Furthermore, just because someone else may not be Spiritual doesn't give any of us the right to decide if they're wrong or not. And to speak that way will lead them in the opposite direction.

You get more flies with honey goes a long way in a lot of places.

Amen, sister!

[Nickdfresh]

Actually, it all began in 1948...

[Ellyllions]

Care to elaborate?

I'm a brunette so I love to read!

[diamondD]

I'm guessing he's referencing the 1948 creation of the state of Israel and the other surrounding countries' failure to recognize their existance.


If it really all goes back to this first born crap, this stuff is beyond stupid.

[FORD]

What they should have done in 1948 is establish TWO states, not just one.

[Ellyllions]

According to what I was taught, it does go back to the first born stuff. According to my grandfather, it was the beginning of the division of the Arabs and the Jews. And the reason that to this day they refuse to live in harmony.

The Muslim Arabs believe that the Holy Land (all of it) belonged to Muhammed and that it's a sin for anyone who is not Muslim to walk on it. Including the soldiers who ran Saddam's forces out of Kuwait....

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Ellyllions


And the reason that to this day they refuse to live in harmony.

Ahh, living in harmony.

Much like the Europeans, and the Native Americans they slaughtered......

Much like the Australians and the Aboriginals

The British and the Indians.

Whites, and the ancestors of the slaves their forefathers owned.


My point being, just where in the world is this "living in harmony" taking place between peoples?

I'd like to book a trip and see it for myself.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Ellyllions
According to what I was taught, it does go back to the first born stuff. According to my grandfather, it was the beginning of the division of the Arabs and the Jews. And the reason that to this day they refuse to live in harmony.

The Muslim Arabs believe that the Holy Land (all of it) belonged to Muhammed and that it's a sin for anyone who is not Muslim to walk on it. Including the soldiers who ran Saddam's forces out of Kuwait....

Now we're getting into Osama's list of "grievances". What supposedly flipped him from America loving CIA agent to America hating terrorist was the presence of "infidel" troops on the holy land, especially near Mecca & Medina, the holiest locations in all of Islam.

Jerusalem is the third holiest, which is why the Muslims have as much of a claim to that city as the Jews do. Unfortunately, it's not easy to draw a line between two states when both claim the same city.

The obvious solution is to take Jerusalem completely off the table. Make that city its own state, much like the Vatican is. Jews, Muslims, and Christians are all welcome, but none of the three controls the city.

Once that question is settled (even though both parties will bitch about it) drawing the borders of a Palestinian state will probably be relatively easy.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Actually, it all began in 1948...

In Roswell.


Alians crashed, but before they died they predicted this would happen

[FORD]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine


My point being, just where in the world is this "living in harmony" taking place between peoples?

I'd like to book a trip and see it for myself.

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It's a world of laughter
A world of tears
It's a world of hopes
And a world of fears
There's so much that we share
That it's time we're aware
It's a small world after all

There is just one moon
And one golden sun
And a smile means
Friendship to ev'ryone
Though the mountains divide
And the oceans are wide
It's a small world after all

It's a small world after all
It's a small world after all
It's a small world after all
It's a small, small world

[Ellyllions]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Ahh, living in harmony.

Much like the Europeans, and the Native Americans they slaughtered......

Much like the Australians and the Aboriginals

The British and the Indians.

Whites, and the ancestors of the slaves their forefathers owned.


My point being, just where in the world is this "living in harmony" taking place between peoples?

I'd like to book a trip and see it for myself.

Point well made and taken, but still you're settling on symantics.
At least you and I could go outside and have a relatively shitty day by our own accord, without getting shot because we're not wearing a burka.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...there is no one people on this planet that hasn't suffered from discrimination. And most definitely, discrimination has a lot to do with why the Arabs and Jews can't seem to co-exist.

@FORD, yes Bin Laden is the ultimate in extremeist Muslim beliefs and that honestly makes me wonder if he isn't the Anti-Christ. Here in the US there are religions that follow the Old Testament to the letter believeing that the New Testament is yet to be fulfilled properly. Bin Laden follows and teaches the Quaran in it's most literal sense of every word...furthering the push for the prophecies to be fulfilled. He is honestly recruiting on the basis of fearing Muslims into believing that if they don't do exactly as it's written they'll be banished to torment.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by FORD
Now we're getting into Osama's list of "grievances". What supposedly flipped him from America loving CIA agent to America hating terrorist was the presence of "infidel" troops on the holy land, especially near Mecca & Medina, the holiest locations in all of Islam.

But he needed help. He needed the Infidels to cooperate.

He needed some Cowboy to play into his hands.......




Who could he get?

Hmmmmmmmm

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by diamondD
I'm guessing he's referencing the 1948 creation of the state of Israel and the other surrounding countries' failure to recognize their existance.


If it really all goes back to this first born crap, this stuff is beyond stupid.

Or the land-grab achieved through: ethnic cleanings, psychological-warfare rapes, assassinations, massacres, terrorist bombings, and other assorted anti-social behaviors that the Zionists used to create Israel.

And the Arabs weren't innocent by any means, but the heroic Zionists on white horses is a bullshit, self-serving myth.