Dr. Dean lays the SMACKDOWN on the BCE's fucked up foreign policy

[POJO_Risin]

Man...I must be bored if I'm about to jump into this fucking battle...

nevermind...you get my point...

have fun gents...blowing way past the whole point...

[POJO_Risin]

on a sidenote...good to see you Cat...

and Nick...I see your hairy fucking neck every day...so...

fuck you......

awww hell...why leave Cat feeling left out...fuck you both...

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by POJO_Risin


we should have declared war the next day...lmfao...

pulled the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan...slid them to Israel...bitchslapped them...

then brought them home...

But the truth is, we're spread so thin right now Iceland could declare war with us tonight and we'd have to deeply cuntsider surrendering.

And why is that?

Why are we, the 5% of the world's population, who spends 50% OF THE WORLD'S DEFENSE SPENDING, a fucking stud with Limp Dick Syndrome?

Because we done shot our wad.


There it is.

We're impotent at this point to do JACK-ALL-SHIT to anybody


We can barely feed and armor our troops in country now, fighting a bunch of "insurgents"


Hey, get Zell Miller down here right now with his legion of "Spitballs"

We're gonna fight.


Oh, and if you're looking to our "National Guard"......please don't.

They're too busy guarding private contractors building golden palaces in the shadows of Saddam's former palaces.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by POJO_Risin
Man...I must be bored if I'm about to jump into this fucking battle...

nevermind...you get my point...

have fun gents...blowing way past the whole point...

Yeah, don't you have some webmastering to do or something?

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
You know what bro, the shtick about "shocking and awing" is what's old...

Hey, i agree with you somewhat, the shock and awe shit was a joke in my opinion.
My problem is with how you fall back on YOUR service as some high and mighty dude riding a big old white horse.

I'm with Pojo, I was set to serve but, wasn't accepted for health issues.
But don't you sit there and think for one minute that i wouldn't pick up a weapon and stand right next to those who were fortunate enough to fullfill their percieved destiny and put on that uniform.
I respect the fact that you served, i lose a lot of that respect when you pull that shit on people and you do it often.

My point is that you offend people with that attitude, which you are entitled to as Pojo pointed out, but we are also just entitled to our opinions as you are, whether we have served or not.

Luv Ya!

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by POJO_Risin
on a sidenote...good to see you Cat...

and Nick...I see your hairy fucking neck every day...so...

fuck you......

awww hell...why leave Cat feeling left out...fuck you both...

I'm all about a good fucking, your place or Nick's?

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
But the truth is, we're spread so thin right now Iceland could declare war with us tonight and we'd have to deeply cuntsider surrendering.

And why is that?

Why are we, the 5% of the world's population, who spends 50% OF THE WORLD'S DEFENSE SPENDING, a fucking stud with Limp Dick Syndrome?

Because we done shot our wad.


There it is.

We're impotent at this point to do JACK-ALL-SHIT to anybody


We can barely feed and armor our troops in country now, fighting a bunch of "insurgents"


Hey, get Zell Miller down here right now with his legion of "Spitballs"

We're gonna fight.


Oh, and if you're looking to our "National Guard"......please don't.

They're too busy guarding private contractors building golden palaces in the shadows of Saddam's former palaces.

Don't forget the 2nd Ammendment, Lounge...I have the right to bear arms to defend this country too, without a uniform.

You might be surprised how many of us there really are out here in society.

I'd even bet you would step up should the need arise...i can read that in your personality.

[POJO_Risin]

Well...my kids are here...let's meet at Nick's...

we can get some good wings afterwards...

don't want the flaming shits to effect anything beforehand...

We'll let Nick play soldier...

[POJO_Risin]

As for being spread thin right now...well...

that's another discussion altogether...

I'm still under the frame of mind that we need to have a 2-year requirement...

in some form or another...

1. It would help the country with the military...

2. It would help parents not fucking run themselves into the ground paying for college...

WEll...I'll stop there...that's not the topic...

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by POJO_Risin
Well...my kids are here...let's meet at Nick's...

we can get some good wings afterwards...

don't want the flaming shits to effect anything beforehand...

We'll let Nick play soldier...

I'll bring the KY, Ford, and the Guinness...


Ok, the joke is dead now, any more and we're all fucking gay.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Cathedral



Ok, the joke is dead now, any more and we're all fucking gay.

Sorry, Cat.

That ship has sailed......

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Cathedral
I'll bring the KY, FORD, and the Guinness...


.

Cuntgrats.

You just made my sig again

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Sorry, Cat.

That ship has sailed......

LMMFAO, well, i kind of figured it had...Oh well, anyone for a reach around?

You?
Mr. Dean?
Why i never suspected you were about all that, YAAAAAAARRRRGGHHH!

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by POJO_Risin
I've got no problem with people who served feeling that way...

maybe they have the right to FEEL that way...

but I do agree with Cat...My Dad (Vietnam) and Grandfather (WWII) served...my brother (Desert Storm) served...and I was set to serve...and not going to get into why I didn't...frankly...it's none of your business.

a few of my tax dollars help those folk...

I've lost two friends...one from my wedding party in this "war"...

and I fucking dare ANYONE to question my love of this country...

so no offense...but anyone that tells me I have no fucking business commenting on the war and what we should do because I didn't serve can kiss my ass...

Yo bro, sorry to hear about your friends. They have my deepest thanks, and you and their families have my sincerest condolences...

But, let's not confuse one thing here. I by no means think you had to wear a uniform, kevlar, and had to marched in step with a bunch of smelly, pimply-faced 18 year olds with an M-16/14 slung over your shoulder in order to have an opinion on war, or to be a patriot. That's not my point at all. In fact, some of the best officers and soldiers that served in WWII were not in the peacetime US military, but were drafted or enlisted after Pearl Harbor, and were often outperforming their professional counterparts.

The problem is that some guys jack-off to footage of bombs lighting up the night sky in some foreign capital, and think that that is the answer. That by punishing and destroying people, you're somehow teaching them a lesson. The ideal of "clinical war," of the dropping of precision-bombs and blowing things to fuck only gets the bad guys is pretty simplistic. The thing about serving, about shitting your pants when the "balloon goes up" (when we go to war) is that you get a certain perspective. The kind of perspective only gained when filling out your last will in testament when you're 19-years old and about to be deployed to some sand-filled shithole you've only read about. I get a little sick of the seventh-grade macho-bullshit spouted by some here (and I wasn't posting to Cat, so I don't know why he jumped my shit). I think there's a big problem with the whole shock and awe mentality, the watching the explosions light up the night sky over Beirut, and think that that some how will solve every problem. Well, we fucking "shocked and awed" Baghdad, but I think a soldier on the ground that sees the shit it causes, the civilians that get killed and the bitterness it engenders, might have a slightly different idea of what works and what doesn't work, because the world isn't that simple.

And quite frankly, the "who served" issue only comes up when these so-called scripture quoting Christians who think that we can solve everything by dropping enough bombs, as if it's a fireworks entertainment show they can jack-off too while watching Fox News, begin calling every one they disagree with a "commie-lib" and insinuating that they're unpatriotic just because they disagree with the retards in the Bush Administration (like a long list of people with a great deal of Nat'l Security credibility in the military and the intelligence community have). Where was Cat when I was having my balls busted for being an unpatriotic commie-lib? Or when people here actually were posting that there is no way I ever was in the military?

I make no apologies for anything...

besides...ask Va what he thinks...ask Sarge what he things...

both 20 year Vets in the military....one retired...one just about there...

I'm sure you'll find their opinions different...

I respect both of their opinions in everything I've ever read by them. Both have shown a sense of realism and candor. Unfortunately, neither one posts here much anymore...

of course...I'm not a chest thumper to go to war...lmfao...

but shit like that I have issues with...

Well, it's not our war anyway. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, including me...

[FORD]

Originally posted by POJO_Risin
Dean is a moron. There can't be peace in the fucking middle east. And to think that there every will be is fucking ridiculous.

And to think that a democrat would have made a difference...is ridiculous.

Cat is right...something different needs to be done...but not different from anything we've ever seen before.

The past 3 presidents, Reagan, Bush 1 and Clinton had a presence overseas, and not just with the middle east. Those presidents were smart...had a brain...could see that relationships with our allies quite often were enough to either keep people in check...or fucking allow us to get the help we needed to keep people in check without having to do it ourselves.

You're contradicting yourself here. You call Dean a "moron" for saying the same thing that you then say yourself. The fact that the other recent Presidents had some degree of foreign policy success.

Reagan could have ended the nuclear arms race for good in Iceland, but he backed out at the last minute.He wiould have been ranked among the greatest Presidents ever had he succeeded.

Poppy built a REAL coalition to stand against Saddam Hussein in 1991.

Clinton had Israel and Palestine on the verge of a deal before Rabin was murdered. He tried again with Ehud Barak 5 years later. Meanwhile, he had suiccess in Ireland, stopping the violence in the troubled north.

Going back further, Nixon had some degree of success with both China and the USSR.

JFK successfully stared down the Soviet war machine in 1962 without a shot fired. Throw someone like Chimpy into that situation and we wouldn't be here to discuss it todsy.

No honest person could deny the poistives of froeign policy as mentioned above, regardless of party affiliation. But all honest people must agree that the Chimp is a total failure compared to any of them.