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  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 59650

    The October Surprise

    09.23.2006
    The October Surprise


    It should come as no surprise if the Bush Administration undertakes a preemptive war against Iran sometime before the November election.

    Were these more normal times, this would be a stunning possibility, quickly dismissed by thoughtful people as dangerous, unprovoked, and out of keeping with our national character. But we do not live in normal times.
    And we do not have a government much concerned with our national character. If anything, our current Administration is out to remake our national character into something it has never been.

    The steps will be these: Air Force tankers will be deployed to fuel B-2 bombers, Navy cruise missile ships will be positioned at strategic points in the northern Indian Ocean and perhaps the Persian Gulf, unmanned drones will collect target data, and commando teams will refine those data. The latter two steps are already being taken.

    Then the president will speak on national television. He will say this: Iran is determined to develop nuclear weapons; if this happens, the entire region will go nuclear; our diplomatic efforts to prevent this have failed; Iran is offering a haven to known al Qaeda leaders; the fate of our ally Israel is at stake; Iran persists in supporting terrorism, including in Iraq; and sanctions will have no affect (and besides they are for sissies). He will not say: ...and besides, we need the oil.

    Therefore, he will announce, our own national security and the security of the region requires us to act. "Tonight, I have ordered the elimination of all facilities in Iran that are dedicated to the production of weapons of mass destruction....." In the narrowest terms this includes perhaps two dozen targets.

    But the authors of the war on Iraq have "regime change" in mind in Iran. According to Colonel Sam Gardiner (author of "The End of the 'Summer of Diplomacy': Assessing U.S. Military Options in Iran," The Century Foundation, 2006) to have any hope of success, such a policy would require attacking at least 400 targets, including the Revolutionary Guard. But even this presumes the Iranian people will respond to a massive U.S. attack on their country by overthrowing their government. Only an Administration inspired by pre-Enlightenment fantasy could believe a notion such as this.

    Embracing this reverie requires believing in the Iranian Ahmed Chalabi, or perhaps even Mr. Chalabi himself since he has been working both sides of the street in both countries for some time.

    It does not involve much imagination to understand the timing. The U.S. is poised to adopt a Congressional regime change of its own in November. A political strategy totally based on fear can offer few other options to prevent this. Besides, occupation by Democrats of even one house of Congress in January would make this scheme more difficult (one would certainly hope).

    Further, time for super-power military conquest may be running short in the emerging age of fourth generation warfare. "...the age of Western military ascendancy is coming to an end." ("No Win," Andrew Bacevich, The Boston Globe, August 27, 2006).

    The consequences? The sunny neoconservatives whose goal has been to become the neo-imperial Middle Eastern power all along will forcast few. But prudent leaders calculate all the risks, and they are historic.

    These include: violent reaction throughout the Islamic world; a dramatic increase in jihadist attacks in European capitals and the U.S.; radicalization of Islamic youth behind a new generation of jihadist leaders; consolidation of support for Hamas, Hezbollah, al Qaeda, and a rapidly spreading malignant network; escalating expansion of anti-American sentiment throughout the world, including the democratic world; and the formation of WWIII battle lines between the U.S. and the Arab and Islamic worlds.

    In more rational times, including at the height of the Cold War, bizarre actions such as unilateral, unprovoked, preventive war are dismissed by thoughtful, seasoned, experienced men and women as mad. But those qualities do not characterize our current leadership.

    For a divinely guided president who imagines himself to be a latter day Winston Churchill (albeit lacking the ability to formulate intelligent sentences), and who professedly does not care about public opinion at home or abroad, anything is possible, and dwindling days in power may be seen as making the most apocalyptic actions necessary.

    Since retiring from the United States Senate, Gary Hart has been extensively involved in international law and business, as a strategic advisor to major U.S. corporations, and as an author and lecturer.

    He is Senior Counsel to Coudert Brothers, a multinational law firm with offices in twenty-seven cities located in eighteen countries around the world. He was co-chair of the U.S. Commission on National Security for the 21st Century. The Commission performed the most comprehensive review of national security since 1947, predicted the terrorist attacks on America, and proposed a sweeping overhaul of U.S. national security structures and policies for the post-Cold War new century and the age of terrorism.


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  • Nitro Express
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Aug 2004
    • 32942

    #2
    No way do we have the resources to invade Iran successfully. We can bomb them easily enough. Don't think they aren't counting on us doing so. If they have anything to hide it's deffinately not going to be out in the open for the US or Israel to hit and destroy.

    Iran has the backing or China and Russia. Iran is in a position to where it can tell us to go to hell because the US is almost non existant in it's economic structure. China wants Iran's oil while Russia wants to sell weapons to Iran.

    Meanwhile, the Iranian regime sponsors terrorism, has no regard for human life, and wants to wipe Israel off the map.

    If things get nasty NATO will have it's hands full. The US can't go at this one alone. It's going to need help from it's European allies. Allies who are infiltrated with muslims.

    The whole fucking casba could rock.

    I don't see any easy sollution to the shitty situation we are in.
    No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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    • Nitro Express
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Aug 2004
      • 32942

      #3
      An attack on Iran would bring the $200 per barrel oil everyone has been talking about. Attacking Iran makes Bush Dick richer.

      What I find interesting is private contractors in Iraq are doing work that the military is equipped to do themselves. LIke purify water for the troops. Rumor has it that Haliburton has been giving the troops unsafe water in some areas of Iraq. Now ask yourself. Why in the hell is an oil drilling supply company in the water purification business? Haliburton fucking sells oil drilling equipment. In Iraq they seem to be into everything.
      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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      • Nitro Express
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Aug 2004
        • 32942

        #4
        Waging a ground war in Iran right now is the equivalent of Hitler invading Russia and trying to fight a war on two fronts. Iran is much larger than Iraq with a larger population. We can't keep the peace in Afganistahn or Iraq because of a lack of troops.

        Invading Iran would thin the military to such levels we couldn't hold shit once we took it. Insurgency and civil unrest would engulf us.

        It would be stupid.

        Now lets say Iran gets a bomb. If they are dumb enough to bomb Israel with it's arsenal of 200 nukes or the US with it's thousands of nukes, kiss Iran goodbye.

        As Bill Clinton told Larry King, Irans best day would the the one the day before they exploded their nuke on us or our allies.

        I would think it would be better to shore up our domestic security to make sure a bomb does not come into the US. Less Americans get killed defending our ports and borders than they do by invading other countries.
        No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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        • Nitro Express
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Aug 2004
          • 32942

          #5
          Attacking Iran will probably break our diplomatic ties with Russia and China will be more likely to go to war with us because it needs the middle east oil as well.

          Great Britian and Germany would probably reluctantly side with the US. However with the large muslim population in Europe they may back out to avoid horrendouse jihad and terrorist activity in their own countries.

          Let's not forget Europe is rapidly aging and the young people there are mostly Muslim. Good luch recruiting them for a war against Islam.

          In the US our draft aged young people are fat, lazy slobs. It would take six additional months to even get them ready for basic training. No way are these kids going to show up on the front lines ASAP. Plus the military needs smart people not flunkies and math scores are the lowest in US history right now.

          Not to mention China finances over half our debt and has bought and exported key American industries. They could burn our ass by simply cashing in their treasury bonds and not buying any more.

          Kiss the financing to wage war goodby. Of course the dollar would go worthless. We then would have to fight the war with no pay and duty to our country only.
          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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          • stringfelowhawk
            Foot Soldier
            • Mar 2004
            • 559

            #6
            Nitro, I agree with your post. All except this:

            "Now lets say Iran gets a bomb. If they are dumb enough to bomb Israel with it's arsenal of 200 nukes or the US with it's thousands of nukes, kiss Iran goodbye."

            Lets not forget the population of Iran is Muslim and their current leader is a radical so them bombing us so that we would retaliate is not a concern for a religion that can't wait to get to Allah and wanna take 9 or 10 motherf*ckers with em.

            P.S. I stole the last part of that from Richard Pryor RIP.
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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49567

              #7
              Originally posted by stringfelowhawk
              Nitro, I agree with your post. All except this:

              "Now lets say Iran gets a bomb. If they are dumb enough to bomb Israel with it's arsenal of 200 nukes or the US with it's thousands of nukes, kiss Iran goodbye."

              Lets not forget the population of Iran is Muslim and their current leader is a radical so them bombing us so that we would retaliate is not a concern for a religion that can't wait to get to Allah and wanna take 9 or 10 motherf*ckers with em.

              P.S. I stole the last part of that from Richard Pryor RIP.
              Well String, this notion of Islamic Fundamentalists looking to martyr themselves via an Israeli nuclear counterstrike is largely bullshit and is so fucking silly that it belies any level of education to believe that. The average Iranian likes America, its culture, and her people if not the current gov't, and the West in general. Few will want to "martyr themselves" in a nuclear counterattack. If you want to change that, then go ahead and start the bombing, that's when they become suicidally brave, when they have no other means to resist. Muslims regard "martyrdom operations" as something akin to our "Alamo," or the fanatically courageous charge of the U.S. Navy torpedo bombers at The Battle of Midway. It's a military tactic, no matter how perverse or sickening it may be to target civilians. The end results of these will be "victory" for those that follow, not death itself or total destruction. Iran has had chemical and possibly bio-WMDs since the early 1980s, have they used these against Israel?

              Of course, one fact that gets repeatedly buried in all the Administration sabre-rattling propaganda is that Iran's nuke program is very crude, and the will not have a bomb for at least five-to-ten years.
              Last edited by Nickdfresh; 09-24-2006, 09:59 AM.

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              • Phil theStalker
                Full Member Status

                • Jan 2004
                • 3843

                #8
                It's the Fallujah model. Military build up to an election. After the election goes your way immediately order your army to commit war crimes. This immediate moment right after a victory in elections, no matter how small the margin of victory, is the best time t2o catch off guard your political opposition back home t2o your illegal military action overseas.

                But as soon as an Iranian 215mph torpedo renders a US aircraft carrier unfunctional or sunk will be an excuse f4or launching WWIII, or another phase of the New World Order.

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                • Dr. Love
                  ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 7833

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Phil theStalker
                  After the election goes your way immediately order your army to commit war crimes.
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                  • Big Train
                    Full Member Status

                    • Apr 2004
                    • 4013

                    #10
                    Whoever wrote that needs to settle the fuck down. Nobody is attacking Iran. There is neither the politicial will or political capital for Bush to burn in this election cycle.

                    If anyone's noticied gas prices per gallon are way down, which is a market reaction to the traction alt. fuels have gained recently and the anti-pollution stance states such as California have recently enacted, which will only give further traction to alt. fuels. Can sell poision petroleum to a nation that doesn't want it. China is important to them, but not like we at, at least at the present time. Our rate of consumption is what gives them their fortunes. Upsetting that balance is creating leverage for the consumer.

                    Who knew, Arhnold, the greatest republican.

                    Attacking Iran would ruin any support in the GOP base remaining.

                    It's pure fantasy and speculation.

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                    • LoungeMachine
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 32576

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Big Train




                      If anyone's noticied gas prices per gallon are way down, which is a market reaction to the traction alt. fuels have gained recently and the anti-pollution stance states such as California have recently enacted,
                      Utter fucking bullshit
                      Originally posted by Kristy
                      Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                      Originally posted by cadaverdog
                      I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49567

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Big Train
                        Whoever wrote that needs to settle the fuck down. Nobody is attacking Iran. There is neither the politicial will or political capital for Bush to burn in this election cycle.


                        But there HAVE BEEN rumblings of significant planning to do so.

                        If anyone's noticied gas prices per gallon are way down, which is a market reaction to the traction alt. fuels have gained recently and the anti-pollution stance states such as California have recently enacted,
                        What a load of happy horseshit and wishful thinking. The price of fuel is down because of the end of the summer driving season, the lower cost of refining "winter" gas, some reduction in usage, and of course --the oil lobby "taking one for the team."

                        It has little or nothing to do with alt-fuels.

                        which will only give further traction to alt. fuels. Can sell poision petroleum to a nation that doesn't want it. China is important to them, but not like we at, at least at the present time. Our rate of consumption is what gives them their fortunes. Upsetting that balance is creating leverage for the consumer.

                        Who knew, Arhnold, the greatest republican.

                        Attacking Iran would ruin any support in the GOP base remaining.

                        It's pure fantasy and speculation.
                        I hope you're right. But in fact I sort of agree, with the caveat that Bush was seriously considering banging the War drums recently, only to have his military high command threaten a near mutiny of mass resignations over it.

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                        • LoungeMachine
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 32576

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Nickdfresh


                          What a load of happy horseshit and wishful thinking. The price of fuel is down because of the end of the summer driving season, the lower cost of refining "winter" gas, some reduction in usage, and of course --the oil lobby "taking one for the team."

                          It has little or nothing to do with alt-fuels.


                          You sure?

                          A gas attendant told me just the other day they were expecting prices to drop to 1996 levels due to the rumor that some guy named "Big Train" was going to buy another 50 shares of Bio-Fuel,Inc :D

                          EXXON themselves said 4th quarter dividends were being scaled back due to his investments
                          Originally posted by Kristy
                          Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                          Originally posted by cadaverdog
                          I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                          • LoungeMachine
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 32576

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Big Train
                            Whoever wrote that needs to settle the fuck down.

                            Originally posted by FORD
                            [size=1][i]Since retiring from the United States Senate, Gary Hart has been extensively involved in international law and business, as a strategic advisor to major U.S. corporations, and as an author and lecturer.


                            Never heard of Gary Hart, eh?

                            Or you just didn't bother to read the whole post
                            Originally posted by Kristy
                            Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                            Originally posted by cadaverdog
                            I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                            • Big Train
                              Full Member Status

                              • Apr 2004
                              • 4013

                              #15
                              I don't expect either of you to understand international economics in anyway (and no, i'm not saying I'm the de facto expert). However, combined with the other factors you mentioned (not just my happy horseshit) that is a major reason it's starting to drop considerably.

                              You guys are way ignorant to the alt fuel stuff. Why is Chrysler going whole hog with diesels? Two Mercedes next year and almost all of their truck line, starting with jeep, will be going diesel in the next two years.

                              California, the world's 12 largest economy, is signing ever tougher standards for operation in our state and their is a ballot measure (#87) for funding of alt. fuels.

                              All political sabre rattling aside, I feel it is a premptive attack by the oil companies to suddenly get gas cheap, which will slow any attempt at progress in other areas of fuel.

                              Lounge, you really should consider a major investment in Tampax. Your attacks get to be very douchey sometimes.

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